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Zero cuff alignment feels best... is this bad?

post #1 of 4
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Hello,

 

On my newest pair of boots, in order to make them fit the best with a surefoot footbed, I had to get some shell work done on one boot, and also had to adjust the cuffs to "0" (there are also "+" and "-").  The boots came from HEAD with the cuff set in the "+" setting, and this created pain and did not allow me to fully buckle the boots.  Also, in neutral stance pressure was on OUTSIDE edge of ski.

 

Anyway, the book "Ultimate Skiing" says that it is uncommon to have zero or negative cuff alignments, and that this makes it easy to over-tilt the ski during carves.  But it also said that there are some exceptions, and that having the best fit is most important.

 

I did see a bootfitter, and they said my cuff alignment was fine (they did some test where I stood on a board, flexed, and they had a piece of cardboard they hit the base of the boot with), yet the test wasn't exhaustive.

 

Anyway, is it OK to keep the "zero" alignment?  Also, I'm confused, because it seems as though when I added negative (took from a plus to zero) the cuff actually titled to the outside?

 

 

 

Not sure if relevant, but bootfitter says I have "wide, flat feet."  Also (this is from me) my foot is much "sturdier" in a supinated position with weight driving through lateral surfaces.

post #2 of 4

First I'd say it is unusual for cuff alignment to create foot pain, although it certainly could.  But most boots really aren't that sensitive or perhaps I should say most people aren't.  I'd look at some other things to do with fit.

 

To alleviate foot pain was only cuff alignment changed?  Or were many things changed at once?

 

Ignore the numbers on the boots.  They are completely meaningless and it is as impossible to derive actual angles from them as it is impossible to compare flex numbers between manufacturers.

 

Lou

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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post

First I'd say it is unusual for cuff alignment to create foot pain, although it certainly could.  But most boots really aren't that sensitive or perhaps I should say most people aren't.  I'd look at some other things to do with fit.

 

To alleviate foot pain was only cuff alignment changed?  Or were many things changed at once?

 

Ignore the numbers on the boots.  They are completely meaningless and it is as impossible to derive actual angles from them as it is impossible to compare flex numbers between manufacturers.

 

Lou


Hello Lou, thanks for the response.

 

Here's everything that was changed, in order.

 

1.  I put in Superfeet orange footbeds, both boots felt a little uncomfortable compared to HEAD's stock footbeds (left was especially sore after change).  Cuff's at the "+" were already squeezing too hard regardless of footbed.

 

2.  I changed cuff alignment to "0," which seemed to tilt cuff "out" and better suited my legs... right boot seemed perfect, left boot was painful especially in heel and sixth toe area.

 

3.  I went in to ski shop, described the problem (left foot pain).  All that was done was shell work to left boot (they said the "punched out" heel and widened toe box)  The boot was hot in those places.  Before the shell work went on I expressed interest in cuff adjustment and told them I took it to zero, and the expert bootfitter looked at me quickly (while liners were in, and one foot had lifter) and said it was "fine."

 

 

So to answer your question about the pain... right boot's discomfort was completely alleviated with a cuff adjustment, however left foot was seemingly worsened, but dramatically improved after the shell-work.  Now at last I can keep the boots completely buckled in the bottom two buckles, and almost completely buckled on top the entire day without any problems.

 

EDIT:  I forgot to say, these boots have an "inverted hinge position"... not sure if that mean's anything here

post #4 of 4

This is a little difficult for me to write about here as i think the solutions are fairly lengthy.  Also I'm concerned about the techniques being employed and the order.

 

Basically I understand that cuff alignment hurts you but as I said this is unusual IMO.  Either way my concern is that it sounds as if things are being changed for comfort that really shouldn't be.

 

Footbeds are really about alignment and not about making the boot fit.  I think you should get a proper custom footbed and then have the boot fit to that.

 

Finally cuff alignment should be done for proper alignment.

 

All this said it sounds as if yo are close to having everything worked out.

 

Many Head boots have a very narrow channel for the achilles tendon.  Depending where your pain is it ma help to have the channel ground wider.  

 

Lou

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