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post #31 of 43

I have skied much tighter brush, on SG skis.  Go to Vancouver Island and ski through some brambles on the back side and come home with your jeans in tatters and your legs all scratched up, then we'll talk.  Sorry no video, doesn't stop me from sharing my experience through the written word though.

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Master Racer,

I believe you could make a run like that at that speed on say Fisher RX8s.  I also believe that BW could not.  We all know that skinny skis provide their own speed control in deep snow, and it's not too hard to make quick turns at 30 mph.  However here's the thing, we can't see under the snow.  That particular run may not have sufficient cover, and the RX8s could sink down enough to catch on the underbrush. 

 

I love skinny racing skis as much as the next guy (maybe more), but if I were given a choice, I would take the fat tip-rockered ski for that run.


 

 

you also cant see how deep the snow really is because its bottomless...the rockers stay on top.

 

you guys are a bunch of posers posting a forum at this time. You sit their and talk shit while you have nothing to back it up with, Sorry I know what I skied and I also know how good I am. There is not a soul on this planet that can do what I have posted in the last video on skinny carver at the speed it was done.

 

I would lay it all the line, because I know I am right. Free lift tickets guided tours as long as you guys do it on sub 90mm skis with rockers. My only reasoning is so stupid shit stops getting posted on the internet anymore. going out west to ski with masterracers is not enough as the terrain is simply to easy out there and nowhere near as thick as it here.

 

I HAVE NOT SEEN A SINLGE VIDEO OF ANYONE SKIING TREES ON SKINNY CARVERS WELL(OR AT ALL) LET ALONE AT THE SPEEDS/TIGHTNESS I HAVE POSTED, lets see one. If someone is promises to post one I ll even send them a helmet cam. really. I just want the people who are clueless on this site to forever shut their mouths or get with it.

 

Can you be active in a thread where you are not building yourself up by knocking someone else down, are you really this insecure? 
 


the first couple post in this thread I siad nothing of anyone else, then when people started to doubt me I said I couldnt not do the stuff in the video on mid fat twin. I actually knocked myself down.

 

dude its the internet I intend to call out every piece of bull shit posted on here. Ghost is full of it more than anyone else and he is the first person to knock someone else down in this thread . Go back and see the post history, the person who talked someone down first in the this thread wasnt me but ghost, once ghost talks me down I am going to remind everyone how bad we probably know he sucks, how much he really doesnt know, and how much he really isnt untitled to his opinions on stuff that can actually be proven. His opinions on stuff he never has ever actually tried. Ghost draws first blood everytime and then cries to you guys when he cant put up with the backlash.

post #33 of 43

 YOU said you could not make a run like that on skinny skis.  I said I believed you.  MR said he could.  I said I believed him.

 

I think you are being just a little too sensitive.  If you think you can make that run on RX8s say so.  If not, then don't come down on me when I say I believe you when you say you can't.

 

You don't have to believe me or MR, but come on!  Get a grip.  I'm not crying to anyone. 

 

 

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post #34 of 43

Skiing has always turned up people with 100X's the natural ability (balance, co-ordination, timing, strength, courage, etc) than the rest of us hanging around the bulge of the bell curve. I would be loath to speculate (guess limits) as to what they could ski on what gear during what era. To compare oneself to these guys (Schmidt) is Uhler's hubris.

post #35 of 43

MR, even on groomed the rocker will allow the ski to be "more forgiving" in the entry and exit of the turn, but the real advantage is indeed in deeper snows when going over the handlebars presents more of an issue for Joe Skier. I am skiing a 102 waist K2 Gotback lately, and would wish for some bit of tail rocker to release the ski from the turn in steeper terrain, if I had the ear of the engineers at K2. 

 

Have a look at the "bow" on Fischer's all-mountain-powder boards--think they lift and separate?

 

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Can you be active in a thread where you are not building yourself up by knocking someone else down, are you really this insecure? 
 


the first couple post in this thread I siad nothing of anyone else, then when people started to doubt me I said I couldnt not do the stuff in the video on mid fat twin. I actually knocked myself down.

 

dude its the internet I intend to call out every piece of bull shit posted on here. Ghost is full of it more than anyone else and he is the first person to knock someone else down in this thread . Go back and see the post history, the person who talked someone down first in the this thread wasnt me but ghost, once ghost talks me down I am going to remind everyone how bad we probably know he sucks, how much he really doesnt know, and how much he really isnt untitled to his opinions on stuff that can actually be proven. His opinions on stuff he never has ever actually tried. Ghost draws first blood everytime and then cries to you guys when he cant put up with the backlash.



this is just for you bush....

 

 

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that only plays a sad song....

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MR, even on groomed the rocker will allow the ski to be "more forgiving" in the entry and exit of the turn, but the real advantage is indeed in deeper snows when going over the handlebars presents more of an issue for Joe Skier. I am skiing a 102 waist K2 Gotback lately, and would wish for some bit of tail rocker to release the ski from the turn in steeper terrain, if I had the ear of the engineers at K2. 

 

Have a look at the "bow" on Fischer's all-mountain-powder boards--think they lift and separate?

 

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Lol.  Loved that ad in the day...

 

The displacement hull thing is cool -- it's surfaced at a few points, interesting to see where it goes.

post #39 of 43
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I HAVE NOT SEEN A SINLGE VIDEO OF ANYONE SKIING TREES ON SKINNY CARVERS WELL(OR AT ALL) LET ALONE AT THE SPEEDS/TIGHTNESS I HAVE POSTED, lets see one. If someone is promises to post one I ll even send them a helmet cam. really. I just want the people who are clueless on this site to forever shut their mouths or get with it.

Frankly, I don't know anyone else that has any desire to ski tight trees REALLY fast.  spit.gif
 

post #40 of 43
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 going out west to ski with masterracers is not enough as the terrain is simply to easy out there

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Didn't you used to ski in Utah?  Wasn't too easy back then, right?   I don't doubt that there is terrain around Stove that would challenge me big time, but I thin we can find a couple of runs here out West that would raise your pulse a few notches too.  Painting with a broad brush is never super-productive...

post #41 of 43
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Skiing has always turned up people with 100X's the natural ability (balance, co-ordination, timing, strength, courage, etc) than the rest of us hanging around the bulge of the bell curve. I would be loath to speculate (guess limits) as to what they could ski on what gear during what era. To compare oneself to these guys (Schmidt) is Uhler's hubris.

Well said.

post #42 of 43

It occurred to me today that the reason the tight tree video and the pitch shown in it is not a challenge is that it totally lacks a fear factor, due to the utter and absolute lack of exposure or consequence. Without fear, no run is a real challenge. Trees do constitute a danger, but looking at them from the top of a run does not have much pucker factor. To make this relevant to the post: no technology affects the fear factor, so cannot relax a skier facing his own fears and limitations. People here fear Corbits, to use a known run. Would rockered skis really make dropping into that chute a lot easier. They won't wipe your a&% for you, will they?

post #43 of 43
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The thing is off grooming you can only go as fast as your skill truly allow ands it nearly impossible to be hit by someone else. easier to turn is bad, mattias when's the last time you heard of someone dieing  from skiing on a moguls/glades run anywhere?

 

I dunno.  It seems awfully easy to me to go flying/cartwheeling completely out of control in the moguls, especially if they're icy.  If you start to lose control, it's harder to get it back in the bumps.  Moguls are, however, intimidating/not-fun enough that beginners usually stay away from them, or certainly don't try to go bombing down them.  Glades too.  The terrain makes the consequences of a mistake more obvious.

 

Being hit by someone else is a function of skier density and speed more than terrain.  If you crowded lots of beginners onto a mogul run, you'd see lots of collisions.  I see plenty of yardsales in the moguls at Wachusett.  People don't see the icy patches coming and slam into the next mogul going way too fast for their skill level.  On an open slope, if you hit an icy patch you can usually recover if you stay on your feet, or maybe you lay it down and skid to a stop (usually without hitting anything).

 

"Easier to turn" means "easier to stay in control" -- if you want to.  If you don't want to stay in control, no amount of grooming (or non-grooming) or ski technology will help you.  Claiming that grooming drastically increases the number of people skiing out of control seems like a stretch to me.

 

I'm not touching the tree-skiing debate with a 10-foot pole.

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