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I don't never ski. I took a couple sea level tours of the local drainage after the thundersnow. Proof:

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I was the only one who bothered. 

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I was the only one who bothered. 



I wonder why?

 

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post #124 of 136

Kids with their rockered skis couldn't hang.

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I skied that line with a broken arm (one pole) and cambered skis (60mm waist).

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telerod,

 

You straight lined it, too!

 

I took a pair of double camber skis (Phoenix Wilderess circa 1983) out the other day to hike with a friend who was on snow shoes. I still had my old 55mm skins to go with them.

 

Heal quickly,

 

MR

 

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I skied that line with a broken arm (one pole) and cambered skis (60mm waist).



That's gotta be like 10,000 GNAR points or something.

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Tail rocker is a game changer in trees.


Rocker is already a game changer in trees. If your tip is rockered, I don't think that rockering the tail will make a huge difference other than to allow the tips to float even more. Since this isn't an issue at this point, and rocker already gives you a lot of snap and agility to your turns (not to mention you can already ski trees without too much difficulty on conventional designs) where exactly does tail rocker 'change the game' for tree skiing?

 


Way off base. Tails that are rockered and tapered are to me more important than tip rocker. It's what makes those tight turns possible.

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so since you ve skied those lines before why dont you tell me what they are then......

 

I have free pass for you if you want to come ski them with me on 65mm SL skis.


I didn't mean that I knew the line exactly, but that I've skied most of Stowe's glades in-bound and out of bounds near the resort. I thought the narrow chute may have been Hazelton and some of the glades looked similar to a line below the Chin near Mt. Mansfield peak, but specifically I'm not sure.


In any case, I think I'll pass on driving to Vermont to prove to an unknown man who's pride is injured enough to buy me a pass had I turned up, but that's besides the point. Maybe when in Whistler I'll film so pillow lines on my SL skis and show that you can do that on those skis in snow 3 or 4 times as deep. 

 

Its always possible, it just takes skill (that's not to say I'm a flawless skier, but I grew up skiing skinny skis in deep snow since those were the only skis I was given).


3-4 times as deep with 3-4 time the open area. the fact you actually said that anything on here is hazelton shows you really dont know where these things are. hazelton is singletrack hiking trail that turns into a luge(well quite fun luge) run. there is no amount of skill that someone on SL skis could keep up with me where I go. If you want to keep saying stupid things on the internet back that stuff up mmmmm'k

 

It really does sound like someone is scared, and I just have free passes, I would never buy someone a pass. again the free pass is your though.

 

what funny in all my years off purposely being obstinate to every out spoken person on here not one person has ever tried to put me in my place and anyone that does ski with me ends up having some of the best ski days of their life.

 

So wait, let me get this straight: if I say something idiotic and biased about rockered skis, then insult your skiing ability and/or the stowe backcountry, I get a free pass and a guided tour of said backcountry?  Sign me up! smile.gif


 


yep but you have to do it on Sl skis. ;) ....or since you not being dumb and saying SL skis can do whats in that video bring what you like, I might even set up with a pair of rockered skis.

 

 I have off mondays/tuesday and I will try to hook up people, but you got to PM me.

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So wait, let me get this straight: if I say something idiotic and biased about rockered skis, then insult your skiing ability and/or the stowe backcountry, I get a free pass and a guided tour of said backcountry?  Sign me up! smile.gif

 

 

If you read any of the thread you would realize that I support rockered skis, or any skis you have fun skiing. Only the OP said some "idiotic and biased" about the rockered skis. Further more, the OP said that the lines in said video (which apparently wasn't getting enough attention so it was reposted in this thread) weren't anything special, and to be honest, I agree with that part of his diagnosis. Its a good video, but its not deeply impressive either. Read before you post.

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3-4 times as deep with 3-4 time the open area. the fact you actually said that anything on here is hazelton shows you really dont know where these things are. hazelton is singletrack hiking trail that turns into a luge(well quite fun luge) run. there is no amount of skill that someone on SL skis could keep up with me where I go. If you want to keep saying stupid things on the internet back that stuff up mmmmm'k

 

It really does sound like someone is scared, and I just have free passes, I would never buy someone a pass. again the free pass is your though.

 

what funny in all my years off purposely being obstinate to every out spoken person on here not one person has ever tried to put me in my place and anyone that does ski with me ends up having some of the best ski days of their life.


Yes yes I'm sure you're amazing, and without rocker those lines would be impossible right? I didn't say I would ski them super fast on SL skis either, just that it was easily doable. I'd much rather bring a 100mm waist ski anywhere that could possibly go off piste just for the fun factor. 

 

I don't find that funny or strange; what kind of retard would drive to Vermont in order to counter another cocky and misguided persons point on an anonymous forum? No one I know. 

What is actually funny is that I supported the argument for rockered skis and the only reason you went all Mt. St. Helens was because I said your lines were nothing spectacular, and I stand by that.


iKabrex, Welcome to BushWorld! Anywhere BWPA skis is the best. Granted skiing anywhere is better than not skiing, but the presence of BWPA elevates the experience to new levels.

 

I agree that rocker provides new experiences and capabilities in deep snow as well as groomed conditions. However...

 

Rocker is just a fractional step up in deep snow performance compared with going from 65 or 75 mm widths to 100+ mm widths. I tried rockered skis on Tuesday in 10" fresh as well as chop and they weren't a panacea for skiing deep snow. They were K2 Hardsides, btw, and I don't know what length. They may have been too short although they were at least 180s as they were comparable in length to my 184 Quad Ones.  I found the tips wanted to stay on top as advertised, but it wasn't beneficial as I began to go too fast for my taste on a moderate pitch slope. The tips would rise and place me in the back seat. I needed to drive the tips back into the snow for speed control as the short across the fall line turns weren't sufficient to manage the speed. A lot more time would be needed for me to find the sweet spot on these skis. On the groomed outrun they behaved nicely although they didn't live up to 'skiing shorter' as it took a concerted effort to get them to make turns that were more than wiggles down the fall line.

 

I look forward to my next opportunity to try rockered skis in deep snow. I'll report back later after my next experience.


you betch ya!

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I skied that line with a broken arm (one pole) and cambered skis (60mm waist).



That's gotta be like 10,000 GNAR points or something.


20,000.    The camera really does flatten things out.    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(no I don't know how many cameras were pointed at the tracks; I think cell phones flatten even more)

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Its 11:44 am and I am really wanting a few of these icon14.gif

 


Hey Finndog! What time is it?

 

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what funny in all my years off purposely being obstinate to every out spoken person on here not one person has ever tried to put me in my place and anyone that does ski with me ends up having some of the best ski days of their life.


That's because although it is fun to tease you (sorry about thatredface.gif), and worth the effort to post a few lines, nobody with any skill and confidence in their abilities (except maybe for Davluri), really gives a rat's adz what you think of their skiing.

post #134 of 136

segbrown, Thanks for the recipe. I just emailed it to K. We are sure to have cherries (marischino, right) tomorrow. We have the Angustura Orange Bitters. I presume it is similar to Fee Bros.? MR

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segbrown, Thanks for the recipe. I just emailed it to K. We are sure to have cherries (marischino, right) tomorrow. We have the Angustura Orange Bitters. I presume it is similar to Fee Bros.? MR


I would guess so.... don't have any Angostura right now to compare. Enjoy!

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Tail rocker is a game changer in trees.


Rocker is already a game changer in trees. If your tip is rockered, I don't think that rockering the tail will make a huge difference other than to allow the tips to float even more. Since this isn't an issue at this point, and rocker already gives you a lot of snap and agility to your turns (not to mention you can already ski trees without too much difficulty on conventional designs) where exactly does tail rocker 'change the game' for tree skiing?

 


Way off base. Tails that are rockered and tapered are to me more important than tip rocker. It's what makes those tight turns possible.


My experience on the Obsethed was that it didn't make a major difference to me except when doing 5's or switch 3's off cliffs and ledges.


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so since you ve skied those lines before why dont you tell me what they are then......

 

I have free pass for you if you want to come ski them with me on 65mm SL skis.


I didn't mean that I knew the line exactly, but that I've skied most of Stowe's glades in-bound and out of bounds near the resort. I thought the narrow chute may have been Hazelton and some of the glades looked similar to a line below the Chin near Mt. Mansfield peak, but specifically I'm not sure.


In any case, I think I'll pass on driving to Vermont to prove to an unknown man who's pride is injured enough to buy me a pass had I turned up, but that's besides the point. Maybe when in Whistler I'll film so pillow lines on my SL skis and show that you can do that on those skis in snow 3 or 4 times as deep. 

 

Its always possible, it just takes skill (that's not to say I'm a flawless skier, but I grew up skiing skinny skis in deep snow since those were the only skis I was given).


3-4 times as deep with 3-4 time the open area. the fact you actually said that anything on here is hazelton shows you really dont know where these things are. hazelton is singletrack hiking trail that turns into a luge(well quite fun luge) run. there is no amount of skill that someone on SL skis could keep up with me where I go. If you want to keep saying stupid things on the internet back that stuff up mmmmm'k

 

It really does sound like someone is scared, and I just have free passes, I would never buy someone a pass. again the free pass is your though.

 

what funny in all my years off purposely being obstinate to every out spoken person on here not one person has ever tried to put me in my place and anyone that does ski with me ends up having some of the best ski days of their life.

 

So wait, let me get this straight: if I say something idiotic and biased about rockered skis, then insult your skiing ability and/or the stowe backcountry, I get a free pass and a guided tour of said backcountry?  Sign me up! smile.gif


 


yep but you have to do it on Sl skis. ;) ....or since you not being dumb and saying SL skis can do whats in that video bring what you like, I might even set up with a pair of rockered skis.

 

 I have off mondays/tuesday and I will try to hook up people, but you got to PM me.


Yup it certainly is an impressive video. Skiing down a 30 degree narrow chute in half a foot of now. Slalom skis wouldn't be my choice; for that snow and terrain I would bring my Mantras. If the snow was deep I would bring my Chopsticks. The tree section is actually pretty decent and like I said before, its doable on a narrow ski but you'd have to be a little more cautious. That does imply required rocker though. Its an entertaining video, but nothing in it blows me away. Perhaps its because all my childhood experiences were East Coast in similar style glades, I don't know. I guess these days I prefer West Coast pillows and cliff drops to tight trees and branches bouncing off my body.

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