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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

I have been out of skiing for about 10 years, and this year I have started back into the sport again.

 

My skis are 11 years old and only have a handful of runs on them (they look brand new), yet the local ski shop will not allow me to use my Marker M29V bindings with any new ski boots.

 

He explained that some bindings can be reused and some can't.

 

Any idea if I should get a second opinion or does this sound about right?

 

I have no issue with replacing items that may cause a safety concern but this gear has hardly been used and looks new.

 

Thanks for the input!

post #2 of 29

If you can afford a new pair of bindings, get them. They are safer now, and more important, they fit todays wider skis a lot better.  I am also not a fan of that particular toe design. 

post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input. Is it a safety issue to use the old ones or just a matter of newer is slightly better? If I can save $130 or so I would like to as I am not a frequent skier.

post #4 of 29

Oops, I didn't read your question carefully enough- looks like you are trying to use your 11-year old skis with the new ski boot.  The answer is nuanced.  I think certain older bindings cannot be serviced by a shop any longer, so if your bindings are on that list you are on your own.  Most likely your bindings will work just fine with a new ski boot, (but that does not necessarily mean that they are as safe as the new stuff). What I know is that it just does not make too much sense to put a new binding onto an 11 year old ski, even if that ski looks brand new.  if you are getting new bindings, you should get new skis as well.  Ski technology went a long way since 11 years ago.  My suggestion is to try to make the old bindings work, and spend $130 on rent a modern ski for a few times.  Then you can decide based on your impression, priorities, and financial circumstances. 

post #5 of 29

Likely the binding is not indemnified.  It may have plastic parts that can fail due to deterioration just because of time without ever being used.

What is the ski (make model)?

post #6 of 29
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the help guys.

 

The ski is an Elan SCX Monoblock Parabolic.

post #7 of 29

Best skis ever. icon14.gif

post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 

That's good to hear, I remember when I went from the older straight style skis into these and it was an amazing difference. If I need to buy new bindings I will problably just continue to rent- which is too bad this these skis sitting on the sidelines. The boots were damaged in a flood hence the reason for buying new at this time.

post #9 of 29

If you need new boots and bindings, consider Telemark equipment. Nordic downhill is more fun than alpine skiing.

post #10 of 29
Thread Starter 

My bindings are listed as "Non-Current Retail Binding" on http://www.nssra.com/2001/nssra/index.asp?centre=article&recno=2637

 

Guess that means they are no good?

post #11 of 29

If the bindings are still on the indemnified list they shouldn't have a problem setting them up for your new boots.   Maybe you should shop elsewhere.th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #12 of 29

That list is 6 seasons old. I didn't see it listed on the 2010 list.

post #13 of 29
Thread Starter 

My bad- 2008 was the last year those bindings were on the indemnification list.

post #14 of 29

What is your problem exactly though- do the new boots fit your bindings?  Do you know how to adjust the DIN and forward pressure yourself?  Presumably your sole size has not changed all that much?

Disclaimer-  Plastic does age, and improperly adjusted bindings do pose a significant risk of malfunction and ultimately injury, so if you decide to adjust them yourself, you need to know what you are doing and be willing to accept all associated risks.   

post #15 of 29
Thread Starter 

I have no clue how to adjust bindings. I do not know if the new boots are the same size (they should be) but I did not have the chance to check, they flat out told me they would not adjust or touch the bindings.

 

Perhaps I should just buy the boots and if they fit so be it?

 

post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

If you need new boots and bindings, consider Telemark equipment. Nordic downhill is more fun than alpine skiing.



If you're into that sort of thing.

post #17 of 29

If you don't know how to do it, then do not do it, this is as simple as that.  You don't sound like a starving student, I hope a damaged knee is worth more than $130 to you.  You can try to get cheaper newer bindings on E-Bay or Craigslist, and remember that you you can always move new bindings to another ski if you decide to change skis.

post #18 of 29
Thread Starter 

That's pretty much why I haven't touched them.

 

I just wanted a second opinion to see if this was a safety issue or if the shop was just trying to get another $100 or so out of me.

post #19 of 29

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Originally Posted by Maine View Post

I have been out of skiing for about 10 years, and this year I have started back into the sport again.

 

My skis are 11 years old and only have a handful of runs on them (they look brand new), yet the local ski shop will not allow me to use my Marker M29V bindings with any new ski boots.

 

He explained that some bindings can be reused and some can't.

 

Any idea if I should get a second opinion or does this sound about right?

 

I have no issue with replacing items that may cause a safety concern but this gear has hardly been used and looks new.

 


A second opinion is always a good thing...

Might find a place which has no problems working on them...

I've been hammerin on a pr from the same vintage, for a couple seasons now, and they weren;t even close to new when I got them...

not my only, but I don;t think twice when conditions call for the 'rock' skis which have these.

but thatz me...

you gotta make your own decisions

 

as for the tech side, as long as your boots conform to current boot sole stds, then the bindings will interface to them.

 

my guess is that there are a couple dozen peeps on Epic who prolly are still are ridin them in some fashion.

but again, you're in charge, you decide.

 

you buy the boots already?  often a shop will become more 'liberal' when you are considering purchasing something substantial from them...

post #20 of 29
Thread Starter 

I was all set to buy the boots, had the order written up and everything and when I brought the skis in they gave me the bad news.

post #21 of 29

Get some new bindings.

post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post



Quote:
Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

If you need new boots and bindings, consider Telemark equipment. Nordic downhill is more fun than alpine skiing.



If you're into that sort of thing.


Fun sucks, but Telemark is also more physically demanding! If you're into that sort of thing. Some people actually prefer sports that involve exercise.th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #23 of 29
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I was all set to buy the boots, had the order written up and everything and when I brought the skis in they gave me the bad news.


Seriously, at least try Telemark (rental and lesson) before you plunk down a lot of money on fixed heel gear. It really will add a dimension to your skiing similar to what you felt switching from straight to shaped skis. 

 

Most of the people on this site are stuck in a rut having invested a lot of money on alpine gear. They don't want to believe there is a better way. Denial is not a river in Eqypt.

post #24 of 29

Here is why it is risky to use bindings over 10 years old, even if they are barely used.

 

 

 

I've seen it happen to Marker and Look step ins as well.  Any step in binding with plastic housing can get too brittle after 10 years, especially if they weren't stored in a climate controlled place.

post #25 of 29

A piece of something just went whizzing past my ear eek.gif

post #26 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

If you need new boots and bindings, consider Telemark equipment. Nordic downhill is more fun than alpine skiing.



Ahahahahahahaha

 

Edit: I digress, each to his own.

post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by iKabrex View Post



Quote:
Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

If you need new boots and bindings, consider Telemark equipment. Nordic downhill is more fun than alpine skiing.



Ahahahahahahaha

 

Edit: I digress, each to his own.


Have you read the Allegory of the Cave?

 

From Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt... "Socrates begins by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heels are also fixed..."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

 

 

 

post #28 of 29

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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Have you read the Allegory of the Cave?

 

From Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt... "Socrates begins by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heels are also fixed..."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

 

 

 

I have indeed read all of the Republic (my personal favorite being the fable of Geyges). I guess the people in the cave need some AT bindings. smile.gif

post #29 of 29


 

Quote:
Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post



Quote:
Originally Posted by iKabrex View Post



Quote:
Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

If you need new boots and bindings, consider Telemark equipment. Nordic downhill is more fun than alpine skiing.



Ahahahahahahaha

 

Edit: I digress, each to his own.


Have you read the Allegory of the Cave?

 

From Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt... "Socrates begins by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heels are also fixed..."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

 

 

 

 

And there lie some of the dangers of Telemark Equipment.  You start quoting Socrates and staying at Holiday Inn Express.  biggrin.gif
 

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