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post #91 of 160
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post

It is funny to see Norman made this comment. He think people get hurt jealous of his skiing achievement because its all by his own research and improve faster then any system on earth (XXIA, PMTS etc). I believe that's why he put up his MA here. He is not looking for advise but recognition. ROTF.gif
 



Oh, well in that case, good for him. popcorn.gif

post #92 of 160
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Oh, well in that case, good for him. popcorn.gif


 

In case you miss that funny comparison. Norman always belittle me. He made a comment in Chinese forum to compare my vid with his. Translated to English is like

My translation: Anyone with a careful eyes can see I (Master Norman) ski way more elegant and relex then Carver_hk, who don't use his upper body to ski properly. Carver_hk can only compare with my skiing after he learn (hidden meaning, from his tutorial) how to use his upper body to ski. 

 

Carver_hk

 

vs

Norman

post #93 of 160
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

 


UpDownUnweight is actually not a bad word. I like it. I know Im going to be making life tough on you guys back in HK by backing up normans theories. But maybe he is better on ski technique than he is on skiing. Are we not all biggrin.gif. Anyway, to be totally honest, you cannot become a good skier if you ski 3 days a year. You need much more time on snow. And you need a good ski coach or long term instruction. I ski 3 times a week plus weekends. For about 4 months a year. And there are people that ski much more than I do. Just to put some perspective on snow time.

 

If up and down are the same wh are there so many threads popping up about getting rid of up movements?

Up and down and getting rid of up movements are two totally different issues. Up-unweighting is when you lift your CoM up which results in unweighting as your upward accelleration is stopped. Hence the word UpDownUnweighting. First you extend so that your CoM goes UP and then you flex a bit when your CoM goes DOWN. This is traditionally done by leg extention and flexing but in todays carving vaulting over can cause the exact same effect. Usually this is not wanted when we carve because we do not need to unweight to turn, just tip, so thats why we try to absorbe this effect by flexing through the transition. That again is down-unweighting. A very important component in down-unweighting is a external force pushing you up. Like in the vaulting example above or when skiing over a bump. Or from very strong turn rebound when linking turns. Look, now we are talking about linking turns. Its not rocket science, just common sence really. If norman says up-unweighting is the same as down-unweighting then I will back him up within the limits I have explained here above.

Why should we get rid of the up-movement? Simple thing really. The habbit of starting a turn by up-unweighing by extending your legs at transition is had to brake. Just like norman in the mogul video. He extends to turn. In a stand alone turn on a groomer without moguls its ok but in the bumps its not needed because you can use a bump to lift you up. Then you down-unweight by flexing your legs. Letting just enough up-force lift you up to unweight. Then absorbe the rest in your legs. See, its really up-unweighting.

Why so many threads? People are confused. And its a common problem.

 

One thing to note is that Norman does not distinguish between down unweight and retraction turns?

A retraction turn is kind of the way you down-unweight so I see no problem with him claiming so.

 

What he means by up unweight may be cross over turns?

Depends on how you define a cross over turn. But if we use the ILE consept then that will cause vaulting and that again will cause up-unweigthing.

 

"you can do retraction turns without up movement after you master cross over turn using up unweight". Do you agree still? 

My god you guys are making funky questions. But in a positive way. My answere would be YES. I agree. I think it would be better to first learn how to cross over and up-unweight in the more traditional way by extending your feet before moving into the more difficlut technique of down-unweighting. Its mostly a timing issue. And the basic knowledge of what unweighting is and what you need it for. Im not saying you could not learn to down-unsweight without up-unweighting but it would seem more natural with first up-unweighting.

 

tdk6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Dear TDK:

 

Many thanks for your esplained.

 

You have give a good explained.icon14.gif

 

But they want get a prove.

 

What is a prove?

 

They want see my skiing to do it for prove.

 

But they can’t see.

 

They close their eyes.

 

They refuse to believe.

 

So they just can’t understand what why can I progress more than more in few ski days.

 

I said for they what good exactitude and idea(know-how) way to practice can be more fast progress.

 

I always said what is real basic can make good skiing.

 

They side that it is impossible and sneer at me what I am a poor knowledge.

 

Now I pay some big price to get 3 ski days and video this year .

 

They just get can’t to believe and a hurt they feel.

 

Norman

post #94 of 160
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post

 That is voted Norman skiing and coaching at expert level. ROTF.gif



carver_hk:

 

No.

 

This is you want.

 

And use this to sneerto me.

 

I never say that.

 

As same you do now.

 

Norman

post #95 of 160
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post




Actually, it sounds like norman rigged a poll so his skiing would come out on top when compared to the videos we have seen in this thread maybe?
 


Dear heluvaSkier:

 

I never rigged the poll.

 

I collect they said that word to ask them.

 

But someone make the vote form.

 

I just support myself, because I believe my way.

 

So I don’t want to be Zero.frown.gif

 

This vote form are they want to prove that I can’t improve.

 

So I go to ski and take video to prove my way is ok.smile.gif

 

Norman

post #96 of 160

Just to avoid misleading words. The fact is Norman opened a thread to describe himself with the different choices without polling. Another forum member helped him to make the poll. I think its ok to do a poll when he himself already made the choices for readers. No seasoning added. smile.gif
 

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Originally Posted by norman View Post
I never rigged the poll.

I collect they said that word to ask them.

But someone make the vote form.

post #97 of 160
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Originally Posted by norman View Post

 

So I go to ski and take video to prove my way is ok.smile.gif

 

Norman


Well, I hope that works out for you. I think you will find that at lower levels your path will be passable at advancing you as you gain more snow time, but as you become a better skier you will require knowledge from outside sources in order to continue to progress. No one does it all on their own.

post #98 of 160
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post

 its all by his own research and improve faster then any system on earth (XXIA, PMTS etc)
 



caver_hk:

 

one again,

 

that is you think.

 

I just mentioned my way and veiw, but you use other System to attack me.

 

As same you post your video V.S me.redface.gif

 

Norman

post #99 of 160
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post




Well, I hope that works out for you. I think you will find that at lower levels your path will be passable at advancing you as you gain more snow time, but as you become a better skier you will require knowledge from outside sources in order to continue to progress. No one does it all on their own.


The trouble is more then that, Norman wanted to prove his way is better then anything on earth and critisize almost anyone skiing and offer his expert view based on his NSS system. Its ok for fun but that might confuse beginners and intermediates.

post #100 of 160
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post


The trouble is more then that, Norman wanted to prove his way is better then anything on earth and critisize almost anyone skiing and offer his expert view based on his NSS system. Its ok for fun but that might confuse beginners and intermediates.

 


Well, if that is truly his position, I don't think we will have to worry about his presence at the top end of the sport any time soon.

post #101 of 160
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post

Just to avoid misleading words. The fact is Norman opened a thread to describe himself with the different choices without polling. Another forum member helped him to make the poll. I think its ok to do a poll when he himself already made the choices for readers. No seasoning added. smile.gif
 


 

caver_hk:

 

If I want to do it. I will can do it.

 

But I just open new thread for discussion.

 

So the poll forum always put first forum to make insult to me.

 

Norman

post #102 of 160

Sounds like we need to have a Chinese downhill...

 

post #103 of 160

SkiMangoJazz -- your post (#85) is beautiful.  A new art form (and a concise summary too!)

post #104 of 160
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Originally Posted by goatrider View Post

This is why he freeely laughs at csia instructors for making very slow improvement. His method is superior than any known systems. That is why he can make "vast improvement" in a short time and catch up better skiers the "next time" he take video. Does he sound like a well known banned member here?


Mr Norman, not only me, there are other people who know you, the way you critisize people of NON-NSS system and how you offer your expert views all prove that you take your system as superior to any. smile.gif

post #105 of 160
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post

 


Well, if that is truly his position, I don't think we will have to worry about his presence at the top end of the sport any time soon.

 

Dear HeluvaSkier:

 

Thanks a lot of you.
 

This is very good postion.icon14.gif

 

Norman

post #106 of 160
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post




Mr Norman, not only me, there are other people who know you, the way you critisize people of NON-NSS system and how you offer your expert views all prove that you take your system as superior to any. smile.gif

 

caver_hk:

 

OK.

 

Always misinterpret what my mean.

 

I am tired.

 

I am lazy to explained and excuse for you and other.

 

Can we stop this?frown.gif

 

Norman

post #107 of 160
 

tdk, The Master may or may not  agree with you about on snow time. If you learn NSS, you can make "vast improvement" in very short time without being on snow.  After a ski trip, you can sit at home, in front of the computer surprised by “too fast” an imrpovement you just had, so happy, so satisfied and can't stop laughing at the **** instructors for improving so slowly. This is in fact what he is currently doing at his home court.  I don’t make this up to be funny. The Master has blogs and posts written as such.



His improvement is so fast that he has already caught up a level 2 instructor after skiing 3 days. 9 more days, he will catch up level 3, In less than 100 days, he will catch up with someone like Ritchie Berger.This again is declared by norman himself.
post #108 of 160
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post

Sounds like we need to have a Chinese downhill...

 


Actually, a large bet involving another host in Norman's home court is going down now.
post #109 of 160
I confirmed this to be true. Actually I m very surprised Mr. Norman speak here with a totally different tone. ROTF.gif
Originally Posted by goatrider View Post
His improvement is so fast that he has already caught up a level 2 instructor after skiing 3 days. 9 more days, he will catch up level 3, In less than 100 days, he will catch up with someone like Ritchie Berger.This again is declared by norman himself.
post #110 of 160


 

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Originally Posted by goatrider View Post


Actually, a large bet involving another host in Norman's home court is going down now.


Just make sure you supply us with video...

post #111 of 160

As I understand there will be two participant. one participant is Taichiskiing. So there should be considered not a race of any kind. its just giving out money from one person to another. Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Just make sure you supply us with video...
post #112 of 160
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post

As I understand there will be two participant. one participant is Taichiskiing.


That alone is worth collecting video for the entertainment value.

post #113 of 160

Just imagin the race already made me laugh before the keyboard.jk.gif

post #114 of 160
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post




The trouble is more then that, Norman wanted to prove his way is better then anything on earth and critisize almost anyone skiing and offer his expert view based on his NSS system. Its ok for fun but that might confuse beginners and intermediates.


It is not so seriuos. None learn Norman 's system in Taiwan. But I guess carver_hk have near to carzy because of the series of comments by Norman.

 


 

post #115 of 160


Oh-kay.  I guess I completely missed the whole purpose of this...and I still do...so whatever it was I said, sorry about that, and please ignore it. I have to say that I really fell off the sled when I got to the "it's just giving out money from one person to another" part of the show.  So..."Norman"...best of luck in your endeavor, whatever it consists of, and if you'll all excuse me, I think it's time for me to return to the planet Earth...

 


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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post

As I understand there will be two participant. one participant is Taichiskiing. So there should be considered not a race of any kind. its just giving out money from one person to another. Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

post #116 of 160

Don't worry about me. I ignored his technical advice long time ago. I only take it as a joke. smile.gif
 

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Originally Posted by lelo View Post




It is not so seriuos. None learn Norman 's system in Taiwan. But I guess carver_hk have near to carzy because of the series of comments by Norman.

 


 

post #117 of 160
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post


Oh-kay.  I guess I completely missed the whole purpose of this...and I still do...so whatever it was I said, sorry about that, and please ignore it. I have to say that I really fell off the sled when I got to the "it's just giving out money from one person to another" part of the show.  So..."Norman"...best of luck in your endeavor, whatever it consists of, and if you'll all excuse me, I think it's time for me to return to the planet Earth...

 


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Dear SkiRacer55:

 

Sorry I can not understand that.

 

And who pay who?

 

But I think you don't worry about that.

 

Somethink is Misunderstanding.

 

Normanth_dunno-1[1].gif

post #118 of 160
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Originally Posted by goatrider View Post

 

tdk, The Master may or may not  agree with you about on snow time. If you learn NSS, you can make "vast improvement" in very short time without being on snow.  After a ski trip, you can sit at home, in front of the computer surprised by “too fast” an imrpovement you just had, so happy, so satisfied and can't stop laughing at the **** instructors for improving so slowly. This is in fact what he is currently doing at his home court.  I don’t make this up to be funny. The Master has blogs and posts written as such.



His improvement is so fast that he has already caught up a level 2 instructor after skiing 3 days. 9 more days, he will catch up level 3, In less than 100 days, he will catch up with someone like Ritchie Berger.This again is declared by norman himself.


goatrider:

 

Why do you repeat it once again?

 

What are you afraid?

 

Normanconfused.gif

post #119 of 160
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Now everybody know what they call me "Master Norman"

 

The "Master" is sneer at me.

 

I never said " I am a Master".

 

Normanth_dunno-1[1].gif

post #120 of 160

I confirm that Master Norman is a name given to Mr. Norman. He never claim to be a Master. Its only his behaviour, like criticizing expert skiers, giving advises that obviously he not understand yet, and claiming able to perform what he can not perform, like carving down a black mogul run, ability to perform dolphin turns etc  that earn his respect. That's why people respect him as Master Norman. And he get used to be named by the same for years already.smile.gif The loop goes on, people keep calling you Master Norman, you continue to enjoy the respect and keep giving advises. So it is not just other people, you play a part in the naming too.

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Originally Posted by norman View Post

Now everybody know what they call me "Master Norman"

 

The "Master" is sneer at me.

 

I never said " I am a Master".

 

Normanth_dunno-1[1].gif

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