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post #1 of 9
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Hi everyone. I have read some of the posts here in the beginner forum and decided it would help to make my own post and you guys could help me out...

 

I am 16, a guy, about 5'11" and 125lbs. I live in Connecticut and most often ski in New York. I learned to ski at somewhat of a young age but not very often, I started skiing more often around 10 when I took lessons weekly for about 6 sessions a year for two years (12 sessions total) at Thunder Ridge mountain, a rather small one in Patterson, NY. I got comfortable skiing and pretty good for my (young) age but in the years following my parents didn't take us skiing more than once or twice a year. I have however gone to a bigger mountain at least, Belleayre, which is significantly larger. To give you an idea I can ski every black diamond at Thunder Ridge except for the freestyle jumps one, I can't even touch the blacks at Belleayre. I anticipate skiing a few more times a year at least, possibly 2 or 3 with the family and maybe a bus trip or two to vermont.

 

Anyway I got a couple pairs of skis hand-me-down from my Uncle and Cousin, they are Rossignol Power Viper's size 150cm and Salomon Axendo 8's size unknown but about my height so probably 180? I know the Salomons are older than 1999 because they have no "pro link" in the back and the Rossignols circa 2001-2002. I had always rented at the mountain for the day. I got Rossignol ROC boots at a garage sale, the guy at the (big) local ski shop said they will work for me but also that they are a little bigger than my size (11 shoe size 295 boot size how does that sound to you guys). The man at the shop also said the Rossis were better for me because their size fits me better and they are newer too, I told the shop to do whats necessary to get them ready and they did for 30 bucks. Another thing to note is that the poles I have are the old type with the molded in hoops your fingers go through, my dad says they had problems with hurting your thumb so maybe I should replace those?

 

Today I skied for the first time with the Rossignol boots and Rossignol skis, the boots seemed plenty tight, nothing really too flexy or floppy but I read many posts where you guys say boots are basically terrible unless fitted by the pros (sounds expensive). Since I haven't skied in a year it was hard to judge the new setup but from my memory the new skis seem to be harder for me to use than my rentals over the years. My theories are as follows: either A I got used to more modern rentals with better shaping and now the old ones aren't as easy to use, B the skis are more intermediate than rentals and harder to ski on, or C they were just sharpened and that caused different feel (I doubt it cause rentals are sharpened too right?)

 

I realize I should go into more detail on how the skis seem wierd/different/harder, so here it is: Basically I seem to have more trouble turning then in previous years. I can turn left ok, but still not as good as I remember (Im righty so left turns are dominant), right turns are even harder and I can't really do parallel rights. The way the turns are difficult seems to be the inside ski not getting up on edge, instead it kinda almost seems to dig in and make it hard to turn (I don't know how else to explain it...) Also the skis are squirrelly, especially when turning, my dad says this is due to them being freshly sharpened/tuned but I want your advice on this.

 

Basically now that I have established my background, my questions are:

- First of all what do you think of the boots, since you say those are most important, should I get super boots, is it not even worth skiing on the basic ones I got at the garage sale even though they are kinda new? 

- Also what do you think of the skis, I think its obvious the Salomons at about the top of my head are to big for my weight and skill, are the Rossis at 150cm big, small, or just right?

- Are the Rossis I skied on today not as curvy as the modern rentals I'm used to? If so is it because they are old, because they are more advanced, or both? 

- My neighbor is a pretty avid skier, he gets new skis every 3 years, he currently has K2 Apaches and is selling his old ones, I don't know the model, they are probably like the Apaches, but they are 167cm, is that a little too big? How long till I would grow into those if any growing time is necessary?

- Like I mentioned earlier, should I ditch those poles with the molded hoops? New ones probably aren't pricy are they?

 

My thoughts currently, which are really educated guesses with common sense are that the Salomons are too big and too old, probably toss em, and the Rossis are probably too old but theres a slight chance they are just more advanced than I'm used to and thats what is causing me trouble. I think I might just need to get some more modern more curved skis, the Rossis aren't curved much at the back at all! I'm thinking that my neighbors old skis could suit me very well, his current ones seem to be to my taste, so the olds ones would be similar, and maybe he would let me try them for a day before I decide. Obviously I need to get the info on them, but for now just tell me if a 167cm could work for me. I think it could based on my height and the fact that I was quite confident back when I was skiing the modern rentals. To my (very) untrained feet the boots feel fine, tight and all, and the guy at the ski shop said they would work for me (he didn't even try to sell me boots!), but maybe I should look into better ones soon, I really have no clue...

 

I realize I have written a little essay here, I hope some pros read it and help me out...

 

Also I realize I may end up having to spend way more than the almost free price of my current gear, but at the same time I am saving for a car so I'm not as big budgeted as a salaried adult... Please tell me if there are different levels of equipment and cost, but feel free to mention expensive ones if thats whats necessary for me to ski successfully. 

post #2 of 9

Hi Cruzer,

 

Kind hard to give definative answers but here ya go:

 

Boots:  If the boot fits, wear it.  Yes professionally fit boots will ensure they do fit, but you can also get boots that fit done by a monkey.  Sure the chances are better with a pro fit...but not impossible the other way.  Since you already have the boots, and they feel fine, then chances are they are fine.  If your feet dont hurt, and the boot is not slopping around on your foot...then bingo.  Enjoy.

 

Skis:  Yup sound like you are on out dated stuff.  Newer is better, skis have come along way in the last 15 years, probably we have seen more advance in the way of skis in the last 15 years then the previous 150.  At 5'11 you are tall, but newer to skiing, so go for skis around "nose height"...but dont sweat it if you can get a good deal on a newer pair of skis that are say chin to eyes....you will be ok. 

 

Neighbours: Word to the wise, 3 year old used skis are worth no more then $40 to 75$ bucks...max.

 

Poles: If they are the ones I am thinking of, those loops were actually desinged to ensure you didn't break your thumb.  So they are safe...but as a "style tip", they are not really cool.wink.gif

 

Good luck

post #3 of 9

Cruzer,

 

167 should work fine. The Rossis are outdated but they are also too small. Although small is a relative term as shorter skis will give you a little more control over your turns and there is a reason why pro slalom skis have to be at least 165cm, if I remember correctly. 

 

The general convention for ski sizing for beginners is between chin and nose hit but slightly higher or slightly smaller won't hurt you to much.

post #4 of 9
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Thats good news to me, I was worried I would end up needing to spend a few hundred and thats a big dent in the wallet, or even more (at which point I would give up, I dont have that kind of cash) so its really good to hear I can use my current boots as long as they fit well and don't hurt.

 

Also you have confirmed my strong suspicion that the outdated skis are indeed different than the modern ones I have rented over the years. I am going to want to look for modern ones that I can still afford, probably used for now...

 

With my neighbors skis, are they for sure woth less than $75? The reason I ask is because I would guesstimate he went and bought several hundred dollars worth, thats what he does he buys the good stuff, and he said the bindings (included) are high end. He is a family friend too, we have known him for years since my parents used to ski with him in the local ski club. He said he would make me an offer I can't refuse but I literally have no idea what to expect, please clue me in if you can based on the info I have that his current skis are K2 Apache...

 

Finally, the sizing info you have given is very helpful, I was 99% sure the Rossis were small on me, now I'm sure of course thanks to you. Even better is the news that the 167's my neighbor is selling should work out, I can't wait to see them, read up on the specifics for the model, and hear his offer on the price...

 

Thanks again you guys are great!

post #5 of 9

Definatley $40 to $75.  If you ask around you should be able to find a ski swap in your local area...usually happens around the fall.  You will find tons of skis there that will be newer in that price range.  No sure the Apache is what you want thou....a true modern intermedite level ski would be better....I am not the best here to know what that might be...but if you go to the "Ski Gear Discussion" and ask, you will get some good answers.

 

Hey you might even find the skis you want on the Ski Swap forum on this board....

post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

Definatley $40 to $75.  If you ask around you should be able to find a ski swap in your local area...usually happens around the fall.  You will find tons of skis there that will be newer in that price range.  No sure the Apache is what you want thou....a true modern intermedite level ski would be better....I am not the best here to know what that might be...but if you go to the "Ski Gear Discussion" and ask, you will get some good answers.

 

Hey you might even find the skis you want on the Ski Swap forum on this board....



Just an update, I got the K2 Apaches, for only $50. He gave me a deal because my family knows him so well. I read about them beforehand and I actually like that they are more geared to beginners. Since I have only skied once or twice a year for years, I haven't picked up much technique beyond just knowing how to stay on skis and go down blues without much problems. I will more easily be able to ski the Apache Recons than the Rossi T-Power Vipers and they should last me a while considering that the previous owner was always skiing and even on black diamonds with them successfully. I will really know once I try them out, which I will asap. Even if they only last a season or two they will be worth the 50 bucks to me and I have a feeling they should be good for that long, hopefully even more.

post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

Definatley $40 to $75.  If you ask around you should be able to find a ski swap in your local area...usually happens around the fall.  You will find tons of skis there that will be newer in that price range.  No sure the Apache is what you want thou....a true modern intermedite level ski would be better....I am not the best here to know what that might be...but if you go to the "Ski Gear Discussion" and ask, you will get some good answers.

 

Hey you might even find the skis you want on the Ski Swap forum on this board....



Just an update, I got the K2 Apaches, for only $50. He gave me a deal because my family knows him so well. I read about them beforehand and I actually like that they are more geared to beginners. Since I have only skied once or twice a year for years, I haven't picked up much technique beyond just knowing how to stay on skis and go down blues without much problems. I will more easily be able to ski the Apache Recons than the Rossi T-Power Vipers and they should last me a while considering that the previous owner was always skiing and even on black diamonds with them successfully. I will really know once I try them out, which I will asap. Even if they only last a season or two they will be worth the 50 bucks to me and I have a feeling they should be good for that long, hopefully even more.


Good stuff icon14.gif.

 

Make sure you set the bindings properly...also it is worth learning how to keep them tuned right.  A good ski tune goes a long way to making skiing easier and more fun....it is not that hard to do, and you only need some basic tools to do it yourself.
 

post #8 of 9
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Yeah I am going to have a shop set the bindings for me and my boots... My neighbor (seller) said he kept them tuned which makes sense, the edges look and feel sharp, but while I am at the shop I will ask their opinion on the current condition of their tune... They have nice bindings, Marker MOD 12.0 Titanium with the piston... I read that they were the highest option on them, they are the integrated type of bindings... I really am excited to ski with these...

post #9 of 9

Apache Recons are a very good ski - they should last you a decent length of time if they are taken care of.  Congrats on a good find.

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