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I have a pair of Head S8 boots which are a little too high volume for my narrow feet, and of late I've been getting bad arch cramps in them, I imagine because the liner has packed out somewhat and my attempts to keep the boots tight are causing problems. I've just returned from a ski trip where, to my delight, I was able to hire a pair of Head Raptor 115 RS boots, which have a 98mm last (my S8s have a 103mm last, reduced to 100mm by an internal frame - the so-called Full Comfort System). They definitely worked better for me than the S8s, even though they weren't as snug as they perhaps should have been, but I felt my skis responded well to my input, and I didn't get the cramps. I could definitely see myself buying a pair.

 

They only had the 27 to rent (I couldn't actually see the size mentioned anywhere on the shell, but the liner had 27.0 printed on it), so I couldn't try the smaller size. I did try a Raptor 125 RS in a 26 in a nearby shop, but was unable to squeeze my foot into it without my toes being bent, which backs up my experience having tried a Raptor 90 RS in the same size. So, I have the slightly strange situation where the 27.0 feels a little too loose, but what I understand to be the next size down is too small for me to get my feet into. I did a shell fit of the ones I hired and measured approximately 17-18mm behind the heel.

 

So, on to the questions:

 

1. Am I right in thinking that the shell sizes are 1cm apart and it's only different sized liners (?) which make up the half the sizes? If so, it looks like the next size down would give me a shell fit of 7-8mm, which is really pretty severe, is it not?

 

2. Given the above, would it be a sensible approach to go for the 27-27.5 model, and get an Intuition or ZipFit liner for it? The guy in the rental place said that those boots didn't get many people renting them because they were too narrow and stiff, but it seems it's still likely that the liners would have packed out somewhat.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 5

odds are the 26 is the right shell size.  People usually feel toes touching the front when they first try on the boots, (with VERY thin socks) then after some time flexing the boot/working the heel back into the boot, your toes should almost come off the front when you flex forward.

 

yes this will feel tight to start with , but remember how tight the 103mm boots felt and how loose they are now.

 

also, please think about both length and width.   one is the size, one is the shape.  different pressures, need different solutions.

 

can you try on the 26 shell, with a 27 liner to see how they will eel after you stretch them out?

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Interesting idea to try the 27 liner in the 26 shell - would it actually fit in the boot?

 

With the 26 size, it wasn't just a case of my toes touching the fronts of the boots - they were actually bent, scrunched up. I couldn't imagine my feet ever fitting into these boots. It wasn't a case of tightness, it was a case of the length, they just seemed too short. I did not, however, do a shell fit of the 26 size, but I presume if I did it would give me 7-8mm (it being 10mm shorter than the ones I did do a shell fit with). I think it was a 26.0 I tried on. Is it possible that a 26.5 liner would be enough to give me the extra length?

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J2R,

 

     The liner in the 26---26.5 is the same, only the foot pad is changed to a thinner one in the half size to make the boot feel bigger.  If a boot is to fit when it is broken in it will feel very tight initially and most folks are sure the boot would never work, but when the liner is heat molded the tightness will go away and only feel snug.

    A good way to get a sense for  how the boot will feel is to buckle up(ankle tight please), then drive your knee down toward your big toe---this is how it will feel after heat molding. If you could stand the snugness then go ski---the liner will break in and feel even better.  I agree with mntlion---the 26 will most likely work.

 

mike

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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

J2R,

 

     The liner in the 26---26.5 is the same, only the foot pad is changed to a thinner one in the half size to make the boot feel bigger.  If a boot is to fit when it is broken in it will feel very tight initially and most folks are sure the boot would never work, but when the liner is heat molded the tightness will go away and only feel snug.

    A good way to get a sense for  how the boot will feel is to buckle up(ankle tight please), then drive your knee down toward your big toe---this is how it will feel after heat molding. If you could stand the snugness then go ski---the liner will break in and feel even better.  I agree with mntlion---the 26 will most likely work.

 

mike


Thanks for that. What do you mean by the "foot pad"? Do you mean the footbed in the liner (in which case, it won't be relevant anyway as I'll be using my own custom ones)? Or are you referring to the boot board or zeppa which goes under the liner? I can certainly do something about that, too. If you are referring to the former, as I suspect you are, then it would seem that for most serious skiers, who have their own custom made or OTC footbeds and don't use what came with the boots, there is no difference between a 26 and a 26.5. I'll be trying a Raptor 120 RS in 26 in the next day or two. I'll report back.

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