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Which of these skis suck the least!!!

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

I just started teaching this year.  Mostly kids from 4-14 that have never been on skis before.  I have found out that they tend to spend as much time on my skis (as I'm helping them up off the snow) as they do on the snow.  I can occasionally get on a pair of Big Easy 130's to teach and have decided that they are a super hand little ski for the job.  But, they aren't always available so I would like to pick up a set of my own....as long as they are cheap ($100 or less)...like me. 

 

In the course of looking for short (120-140) adult skis I have found that they aren't the most readily available boards in the world.  What I have found is the occasional Head Big Easy (not really that bad a ski), K2 Comanche, Volkl Unlimited R1, Rossignol Roc X, and Rossignol Liberty.  So, I know what the Big Easy/Peak is like but do any of the others suck less?????

 

My stats: 5'11", 210lb, 43yrs.

post #2 of 26

This has to be a joke.

 

You are teaching and 210lbs on 130-140cm skis? WTF?

 

I hope those learners are being paid by you for you to teach them. I'll be next in line, Please pay me $100.

post #3 of 26

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Originally Posted by shoal007 View Post

This has to be a joke.

 

You are teaching and 210lbs on 130-140cm skis? WTF?

 

I hope those learners are being paid by you for you to teach them. I'll be next in line, Please pay me $100.


your are one harsh dude!

seems SOP from some of your other posts

 

you offer nothing related to the OP's Q, nothing in humor, nothing related to anything at all.

what the OP chooses to use for his 'instruction' is his choice and open to 'discussion'.

being 210 doesn;t disqualify anyone from being an instructor.

 

 

here's a quarter, go find a rat to gnaw that mole off your shoulders...

post #4 of 26

What about the Icelantic Scout, which is 143cm in length ?

post #5 of 26

Go to a used ski sale, get the best ski for the price. Having a ski on the short side is good for teaching, but you're going to have to ski in proper form, so don't go overboard.

post #6 of 26

you want bigfoots...seriously

post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 

Wow,

 

I guess somebody missed the boat.  Shoal077m I'll tell you what, you bring your 165 race stock blizzard magnesium sl's out to teach little kids on the rope tow and see what you think.  I'm not doing it on mine even though they are the shortest ski I own.  You really don't need or want full size boards for teaching at this level, they do nothing but get in the way.  Trust me, I've tried it....you haven't.  What I'm talking about is a very specialized ski for teaching little kids to enjoy our sport, not something for free skiing.  The little Big Easy 130's and 140's aren't that bad for cruising down the groomers at modest speeds holding a kid up on a pole.  Anything longer just gets in the way.

 

So, anybody with a valid opinion or experience in this matter, you thoughts would be appreciated.

 

 Best,

 

LT

post #8 of 26

I think you should have skis like the skis your students are using, adjusted for your size and weight of course. 

 

If your students are on chin-high low to mid width floppy rentals, then you should be on chin high low to mid width floppy skis too.  Perhaps just a little less floppy, but being adult sized will probably mean they are also a little stiffer.

post #9 of 26

I didnt mean to offend, was just stating what I thought seemed absurd. I am a good 30-40lb less than you but similar height and found 160 sl skis to be pretty much as short as needed. But i could understand being on a more flexy ski for instructing. How bout a fischer rc4 sc pro? Pretty flexy ski, but if money is a priority I could see a cheaper ski but still in the 130-140cm range? That seems crazy to me, almost snowblade length.

 

No I havent taught skiing before. But I cannot play baseball, run or bike the same as I can with correct equipment.

post #10 of 26

I am an instructor, and deal with similar students pretty often.  And the guys where I teach who are big in the kid's programs all use these Atomic Beta skis.  Don't know anything about them, but they look to be something like 5 years old.  Those work for them, but I would like to know why you must go that short.  Why not get the cheapest, beginner-level pair of relatively short skis you can find (like 150 or 160, you won't have any trouble finding those)?

post #11 of 26

I would almost second the recommendation to look at the Icelantic Scouts, but I think the Icelantic Pilgrims in a 151cm size would be better for you.  I have a pair of Icelantic Shamans and love them and have been seriously thinking about getting a pair of Scouts or Pilgrims just for teaching

post #12 of 26

In my opinion, the most valuable trait a teaching ski can have is that you don't give a damn about it. If you care about it, you're gonna be too worried about that pain in the ass kid who thinks it's funny to run over your skis to pay attention to the stuff you should be. Therefore, in my opinion, your entire approach to this is all wrong. Going to a ski swap with $50 or $100 in hand and knowing what traits you want out of a ski is the way to do it. Find the ski that best fits the criteria in the place for your pricepoint and buy it. And then treat it like absolute crap and never maintain it.

 

I taught 3-5 year olds for 5 years in ontario.

 

edit: if you want to go ultra-cheap, bring a boot and only look at skis with your same BSL, then you don't have to worry about remountng the bindings. Any bonding activity with cheap skis is stricly forbidden wink.gif. Remounting bindings is almost like buying it a ring

post #13 of 26

There are a lot of old used PE's and Extremes that go for a song on Fleabay. A see a lot of my kid's instructors wearing same or similar; beat soft twins. Old Lines or Obsethed's seem popular too. But not necessarily super short. Would assume that you want a touch of stability for that day at the office. Like when you're skiing backwards to catch them before they crash...

post #14 of 26

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

There are a lot of old used PE's and Extremes that go for a song on Fleabay. A see a lot of my kid's instructors wearing same or similar; beat soft twins.


Twin Tips - Great Idea!

 

I would think these are purpose-built for instructors with a heavy beginner/novice load. And there's gotta be a wealth of them out there on the used market.

As for any concerns about the brand/model and how good lookin they are... why bother?

most of these, and more 'park' oriented models will be good sliders at low speed

yeah, I would say that's the ticket

post #15 of 26

Heard from my former ski shop of choice that the Big Easy in spite being a rental ski was actually a very good and capable ski, same review from the folks at Levelninesports.   Dont know squat about the other skis.

post #16 of 26

If you are concerned about your topsheets being run over constantly you might want to consider getting some old Volants as a teaching ski. The steel really takes a beating.

post #17 of 26

The Icelantic Scout suggestion is a good one, imo.

 

Some other things you might look at:

   

Atomic ETL  

Elan Freeline  

Elan XRC  

Summit Marauder 

Snowjam/Zuma

 

Most of the things I can think of in those sizes are Euro funcarvers and EZcarvers but they are simply not distributed here, brands like Lusti, RTC, Wed'ze, Quechua.     Would you consider mainstream (99cm-ish) skiboards or is that just totally infra dig.?


 

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Originally Posted by Stev View Post

If you are concerned about your topsheets being run over constantly you might want to consider getting some old Volants as a teaching ski. The steel really takes a beating.


From my reading, his biggest want is to be able to step-turn and duckwalk and generally be in the middle of a gaggle of super-tiny  kids without actually tripping any of -them- with his own skis, all of this on the _flat_ snow.   And still be able to make  turns off the magic carpet.

post #18 of 26

I don't know that I'd want my beautiful Scouts trampled in the learning area, but that's me.

 

Rossignol sold some teaching skis a couple of years ago, as did Salomon, but I can't seem to find them on the PSIA or their web sites tonight... Worth speaking with your local reps?

post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 

Well,

 

I tried the blades a couple of times and found out that, while they are handy, they don't have enough edge grip to hold me up while I'm maneuvering around a student trying to hold them up....or stop them from careening out of control into the trees.  Similarly, anything over 140 is just to combersome and tends to get in the way.  Stability at speed isn't a concern as we are not going fast at all and I won't be free skiing on them.  The other option I've been considering is a junior race ski, especially one with sandwich construction like a race stock ski.  They can be had cheap and seems to me that they should hold up well enough to this kind of use for 2-4 hours a day, once a week.  Others don't seem to agree even though I haven't heard from anyone who has tried it.  Any thoughts on this option???  I could probably set them up for less than a used pair of Big Easy's.

 

LT

post #20 of 26

Did you have any luck?

 

I just got a pair of Rossignol Freez'B's 118cm for the same purpose....I'm trying to get my 1 and 4 yo's started with skiing, and my 183's just get in the way.  They're on eBay.

 

I'm looking forward to trying something much shorter, and I like that these have step-in releasable bindings.

 

People just don't seem to understand life on the bunny hill!

post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 

I think I'm going to get a pair of Head Shape 03 or Big Easy's as they are what I've used the most and seem to be the best compromise.  I'll probably add a pair of FreezB's or blades to round out the mix.  Looks like I will be teaching from here on out.  I only wish we had more level 6-7 students at our little hill.

post #22 of 26


I have Icelantic scouts 143 cm and Summit Marauders 125cm as well as the old school non-releasable snowblades.  The scouts and mauraders work nice, better in powder than hard pack, they're really wide..  I'm 220 pounds 52, and I normally smoke my skinny young ski pals down the mountain,  especially in tight glades.  Mainly a Vermont skier, (Jay Peak/Mad River Glen/ Sugarbush etc) I'm probably going to look for a narrow short ski (probably the atomic ETL) i for the numerous hard pack days we have here in the east.

post #23 of 26
I am not an instructor or skilled enough to be, but I am a big guy with a daughter. My current skis are Elan E-Flex 6 152, which are way too short and soft for me.

Yes, when helping her up, the 152 is certainly less awkward than the 170ish skis I've been demoing. However, I would think that stiff little planks would be easier to "plant" than noodles.
post #24 of 26
What do ski patrollers like?
post #25 of 26

Lots of times your school will let you take out the rentals. I'd do that whatever they are if you can. 

post #26 of 26

Heads up - its a 4 year old thread.  Post 22 restarted it.

 

All those skis you're talking about are now here:

 

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