My cell phone says its -37 outside right now, and my electronic temperature gauge inside my condo says "off line" with a low reading of -21.3...... so when do you say, I'm staying in?
The real issue is the wind. Just checked the forecast for Copper, and they are predicting wind in the 10-20 mph range with a current temp of -23. It would be stupid to be out there in that.
But I've skied at -10 recently and -25 when quite a bit younger. Keep covered up, and take breaks. There are two other things you can be assured of: the snow will be incredibly slow, and there will be no one else on the mountain.
no worries, we;re going out as long as its -15 sunny and low winds. yesterday was ok but the lift rides were brutal. in the afternoon, the winds died down and about -10 and it was great. super light blower pow...
It has to be pretty cold. Especially a day that I'm already going out to work anyway.
Yesterday it was -10F at the top of the tram and blowing @ ~28 mph. Eden, Liberty and I got out of the Tram and got off the ridge pretty quick. R Bowl skied great though. ^^^Taking breaks and skiing just a bit is the answer. We went to Casper Rest (where I met you that day!), ate fries and drank hot chocolate. I drank free beer.
Today, however, may be that day....
Just for reference:
Anything below -10F would have to provide me with >18" of fresh untouched on every run or I'll just stay in...-20 or below and I'm staying in no matter what as I'd have bundle up so much that I'd barely be able to move...
Love the EVO
SkiDawg well, hows a good foot and knee-high in the trees with the occasional waist high shots? Too cold to take the camera out but the snow was so light that it collected in the trees and piled up in small nooks. we skied a lot of lines about 30-50' in from the side of the runs where the wind blown was settling in. Yeah, it was really good.
You should always remember your 40th B'day, but, not just for meeting us. I still smile at the memories from that first day skiing with you and Christie and the kids. I should say skiing behind your family.
I remember thinking that week in Jackson was cold by my eastern standards, but, at night it was not much below 0 degrees. Warmer than other weeks I had been at JH.
Not sure if I'd ride the tram in the conditions you described above, or at least without a very good guide, but, I'd ski the gondi.
I can't define it, but, I know it when I see it. Much more defined by how strong the wind is than temperature. 20 plus mph winds and single digits = not fun. Maybe would consider it if the lift was protected like a gondola.
lp- yeah, we were joking about how nice a heated covered lift would be a good thing. some folks were working the lower mountain and taking the gondi up. there are some great tree shots off the T-head under the Thunderhead lift over to Teds and Oops. We hit those in the afternoon
I hear that at minus 50 the snow is too hard and cold to provide any glide. I've been skiing at 35 below (actual, not windchill) and the snow is noticably slower at that temp - it makes skiing the steeps almost effortless.
So, while I haven't found my limit, I guess that I'd probably give up at -50 due to the lack of glide.
BTW, skiing cold temps is sort of like skiing in general - go ski something steep, and your usual terrain seems easy. Same with cold: It was -27 a week ago Sunday, this past Sunday it was -4 and it felt warm.
I was happy to be part of "TEAM STUPID" yesterday! Great to meet and ski with you Chris.
Ha! My wife just opened up the door of our Steamboat hotel room. The cold fog rolled into our room like a the monster from Lost.
She's definitely more core than I am. Her comment:
Damn, I guess I'll put my shoes on before I go out there.
I have to go in for my job this morning. I might not otherwise. It's -18 at the house right now. I skied an early Tram on New Years day with a private client this year. It was -18 and blowing about 30 on top. Only 7 people on that early car. Me & my client, Theo & his client, Lexy our training director, 1 patroller, and the tram operator. The skiing was actually very fun that morning. Empty mountain and lots of high speed power carving. I taught some FDB students in below zero in the past and that gets hard because the snow loses it's glide and it's hard to turn when you aren't moving on the flats.
I have only sat out 4 days so far this season.
Last night I patrolled at The King. We froze our butts off. The King will open late today.
It depends on how large the resort is. I've taken many short laps in -30 not including wind chill on a small hill always three minutes from the lodge. However, I wouldn't venture way out beyond that. unless I was walking/hiking to keep warm. I suppose we also run the risk of lift failures. I'd hate to be on a lift more than 5 minutes on a day like that.
I've skied in temps down to the mid -30's when I've 'had' to (coaching camps, etc), but it's not good for the body or the equipment (broken gates, boots, poles and frozen feet). I once froze my feet so badly that they didn't thaw for an hour, at which point I was groaning in pain, after which my feet became swollen and I couldn't get my boots on for the afternoon session. My advice if you're skiing in temps that low is to make sure you don't stray too far from a place where you can warm up. Make one or two runs, then come inside for a 15 minute warm up if you've been out for an hour.
Normally, anything down to -25C is fine with me, although these days I tend to avoid skiing if it gets down to -20 because there's too many 'good' days to choose from. In the old days -25 was our cut-off point when we would cancel races (too much equipment breakage).
Temps are above freezing all this week, with cloudless skies, so I'm definitely sneaking away for one or two days before it gets crowded on the weekend.
I've never said no to skiing on account of cold. Coldest that I recall was -44 C (-40 is the same in C and F). I probably wouldn't have gone if I wasn't teaching, and I kind of expected that none of my students would show up. But 3 of them did (adults). I asked them what the hell they were doing there. :) We had a great night of skiing with the hill almost to ourselves. Lots of breaks, and lots of layers - I actually couldn't move very well because I had so many layers - felt like the michelin man. but I stayed warm.
In addition to the wind, humidity makes a huge difference. We've had days of -10C that felt like -25.
I think it's also relative to what you know and get. If I picked -10F as my cutoff, I'd be missing a lot of ski days. But if I lived out west, my cutoff would probably be about -15C.
on a side note - I just saw someone walk down the street with ski goggles on. :)
Are you saying all she was going to wear was shoes? If this was TGR, pictures would be required you of course realize.
Walking the dog early this morning it didn't feel too bad, but I was only out for a few minutes...
I did get out yesterday for a bit after 2pm. Phone said -4, but sun kinda out and no wind. But the "wind" generated by skiing did me in. Not even Mercury Mitts with a pair of liner gloves could keep my fingers from turning to blocks of ice. And the snow was very squeaky/slow. I only lasted 5 or 6 runs and then bailed, but it was fun while it lasted!
Warmer as the week goes on, maybe some fresh snow. Good combo - fingers crossed! ;-)
I hope you have the right wax Finndog. We were out in -20F at Steamboat and had to push to go downhill. It was only -4 at the base so we stayed low on the mountain. The upside was that all the folks accustomed to warmer temps stayed inside and we had most runs to ourselves. Thirty degrees one day and minus twenty the next makes it hard to prep skis.
Wind can be a killer. At a high school race a few years ago, the temps were -15F but the wind chill was so bad that we were limited to five minute rotations outside the lodge. There were many cases of frostbite and nobody was out in speed suits.
We had a racer (~90 pounds) get hit by a blast of wind off of Lake Superior. The gates went flat on the course, she was stopped, and then started moving back up the course. Needless to say, the 240 pound kid had an advantage that day.
Be careful of injuries on cold days. The body doesn't bend as easily and muscles get pulled.