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Hi guys,

My first post on here...


After 10yrs of no skiing, The last 2 seasons Ive gotten into it quite heavily again going as often as I can. Im now an intermediate skier, skiing groomed blues and blacks, and occasionally a double-black. Ive been doing this with rentals, and now that Im starting to learn how to carve, rentals are limiting my progress alot...so to my issue:


Some background on my feet and boots and the pain I got on the arches:

- I have flat feet, that also pronate (if i understand the term correctly, meaning the foot rotates outwards when i walk, with alot of support on the outer arch). 

- My foot changes shape drastically between standing and sitting. It was measured at 27.5 when sitting, but standing it goes to over 28.5, and the arch length changes alot too.

- I have thin calves

- despite the flat feet, I have a high instep.

- I am 6'5" and 220lbs.

- I wear size 11 shoes.


I bought a 27.5 Salomon Impact 9 CS.

I had 1 finger room in the back when toes touch the front in the shell without the liner.

While I had them on in the store for 10+ minutes, I didnt particularly feel any particular discomfort, but they were heat molded and toasty which could have masked any problem areas...I did notice the toes were pretty cramped but not painful at the time.

I am also using the superfeet green insoles.


I skied on them this weekend at Killington in mostly groomed/slightly bumpy/slightly icy terrain.

Already after my 2nd run, I was in some RIDICULOUS PAIN on my outer arch of both feet, felt like a cramp almost.

I had to stop at the lodge, loosen the boots and sit for 10 minutes before i could even stand up. This happened over and over again, until after the 4th time I gave up. Ontop of that, my big toes were in plenty of pain too, still hurting 2 days later.

I found that the most relief did not come when just resting it, but rather when leaning forward with the unbuckled boots, and with back of my foot moving up off of the insole.


The pain was actually worse when just going down those winding paths where you just do nothing, as opposed to the actual runs turning all the time. It makes me think this is due to the non-stop pressure on both feet on the straight, whereas on the turning there is alternating relief on the outer arch from side to side with each turn. (it did still hurt in the turns too, just took longer before it became unbearable)


For the 2nd day, I went to a local fitter on the Killington basin, and tried on some boots and was instead recommended to go for one size up, 28.5, but narrower last (97). I wasnt ready to buy a 2nd pair before returning the 1st, so instead I got demos 28.5 size, used my thicker socks, but didnt use any insoles. The arch pain was only very slight, and I assume it was just because of abusing them so badly the day before. The pain now was easily managed and I skied all day long no problems.



My questions are:

- Do you think the pain on the outer arch is coming from the boot being too small and me having to curl my toes more than normal?

- Or could it be the insole? Would the inner-arch support for the flat feet result in the foot turning outwards (which it does easily on me), and resulting in too much stress on the outer arch to compensate?

- Or could it be the opposite, ie due to my flat feet, these off-the-shelf insoles dont provide enough support on the inner arch, somehow causing pain on the outer arch?

- What other causes could result in this sort of pain?



Im asking the questions because I am going back to change the boots, and I want to be as informed as possible. I know since the boots were heat molded already, the store will try to keep me on the same ones if they can, and instead try to work on the boot as much as they can and give me a custom footbed, etc. I dont think thats the road I want to go down on just yet if there are better solutions (except for the custom footbed if it will do the trick). But if you guys think the problem is the actual size being too small, then I dont want them fiddling with this boot, and instead just want another boot. 


Sorry for the long post, but wanted to include as much info as I could to help you experts get a clearer idea.








post #2 of 2

I am going to give you a few short answers because I am short on time.


#1) Most of your pain is probably caused from the boots being to tight, are they to small? Perhaps. Can they be modified to fit? Perhaps but you will need a good qualified boot fitter, not just a sales person to determine that.


"All professional boot fitters make great sales people, however, good sales people do not make good boot fitters". So what makes a good boot fitter?  Personally I think it takes 5 years (aprox) to become a really good boot fitter, you can ask the person you are working with how long they have been fitting (not selling) boots and ask about their training.


#2) Most people with truely flat feet go through a "break-in period" when first introduced to footbeds.  A qualified boot fitter can tell you which premolded footbed will match up to your arch the best - there are options. The footbed could be part of your discomfort.


#3) Again, if you have a flat foot most likely the footbed you purchased is giving you plenty of arch support.  That being said a custom footbed might be an option but it sounds like it would not cure your fitting issues.  You need the shell to fit right (length and width).  Again, if you truely have a flat foot a premolded footbed with a lower arch might help but you need to get the shell to fit right, you might need a new boot, which can only be determined in person by a professional.


Getting the right boot can take time but well worth the effort.


Good luck.



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