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post #91 of 160

Fine.  How about this?

 

My buddy was at Augusta, right there to watch that shot in person, and he said that ball flight photo was way off.  It was an amazing shot, but that's a horrible diagram of it.

post #92 of 160
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Bubba said he was trying to keep the ball down going out of the trees and that the ball rose after getting out.

 

Jay - could your buddy draw a better diagram?

 

Anyone who thinks balls can't stop turning in mid-flight hasn't seen my balls fly.

D'oh! Never mind.

post #93 of 160

40th place again.  Me thinks his spiritual health is quite disconnected.  Poor guy, he might never get it back..

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I'm in the middle of "the big miss". Hank writes about a concept called "the package". This is a theory where Tiger's competitive behaviors go hand in hand with his personal behaviors. Under that theory, spiritual health for Tiger is winning (vs spiritual health leading to winning). On the one hand the book describes times when Hank seriously doubts whether Tiger will get it back. On the other hand Tiger "gets it back" so many times I feel like I'm on a roller coaster.

 

Tiger's only won once at The Players? I get the impression that, as courses go, he expects luck to be more of a factor here. Other than "not winning" and "barely making the cut" I don't think this is much of a setback for Tiger.

post #95 of 160

Rory McIlroy did worse than Tiger at The Players. Oh noes, what's WRONG WITH HIM?

 

People need to stop looking at one or two tournaments and getting all panicky.  Sometimes in golf everything clicks but if it's based on a new swing it may come and go several times before your game becomes more consistent.

 

Tiger did show a few weeks ago when he won that he's still capable of playing really good, dominant golf.  If he doesn't win again for the rest of this season, the maybe it's time to panic a little.

post #96 of 160
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I'm in the middle of "the big miss". Hank writes about a concept called "the package". This is a theory where Tiger's competitive behaviors go hand in hand with his personal behaviors. Under that theory, spiritual health for Tiger is winning (vs spiritual health leading to winning). On the one hand the book describes times when Hank seriously doubts whether Tiger will get it back. On the other hand Tiger "gets it back" so many times I feel like I'm on a roller coaster.

 

Tiger's only won once at The Players? I get the impression that, as courses go, he expects luck to be more of a factor here. Other than "not winning" and "barely making the cut" I don't think this is much of a setback for Tiger.


People with real addictive disorders take years, not months to gain control of their life and direction.  Five years of full sobriety is probably the bare minimum for most typical addicts to begin to start living a normal life.  It's entirely possible to throw down a great score or even great weekend here and there while high when focusing on the task at hand.  John Daly can still do it once in awhile.  Learning to do that entirely sober takes a lot more time and patience though. 

 

 

There's still some hope that in a few years he may do quite well on the senior tour.  That won't happen if he continues the party life though. 

post #97 of 160

One funny aspect of the TV hype about Tiger's future, is that there is one major, major golf commentator/color analyst who fell from the very top of the pro tour almost overnight.

 

One day Johnny Miller was on the verge of joining the  greatest then lost is so quick, never to recover. How come he does not compare Tiger to himself?

post #98 of 160
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One day Johnny Miller was on the verge of joining the  greatest then lost is so quick, never to recover. How come he does not compare Tiger to himself?

 Because Johnny is a horse's ass who still doesn't realize he under achieved. He was one of the best ball strikers I have ever seen, (we still call shots inside a foot goin' Johnny Miller) but was never a good putter. Go watch his Shell match against Jack at Olympic. 15 footer for birdie, 4 footer for par, tap in bogey. Hole after hole. Most announcers seem to call it like it was for them. Curtis fought his nerves a lot, so he constantly talked about how guy's guts were in a knot. Johnny sucked at putting, hence the ginch comments. Venturi thought the game was really hard, so you had the "put a bucket of balls there and you couldn't do better" stuff. Faldo always viewed it as a chess match, and calls it that way, which is probably why I like him the most, even if he's not quite as funny as he thinks he is.

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People with real addictive disorders take years, not months to gain control of their life and direction.

I'm more of a patient than a psych doc, but from what I've been reading I would not call Tiger's problem a real addictive disorder. At worst (other than the crash) it was the sex equivalent of a functioning alcoholic. The remark "obviously I lost track of what I was taught" meant to me that Tiger thought his behavior was a choice not a disease. The man has displayed mental discipline on the order of "not human". If he has a disorder, he can beat it. Given the remarks "horrible, the worst experience I've ever been through" and the "hardest thing I've ever done", we can assume that addiction therapy was at least instructive. My take on this is that the sex thing was just another aspect of all of his personal relationship "issues" and the therapy may or may not help Tiger become a better person and that may or may not make his golf better or worse. In any case, there is a high probability that Tiger will always have a significant portion of his life occur beyond his control. Tiger's life is more like an ocean liner than a row boat. There are directions his life can't go because it's too big. Like his 9 shots, if he can sail with the tide as well as against it, and let it flow through him as well as around him, he may gain enough control over his life to be happy.

post #100 of 160
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One funny aspect of the TV hype about Tiger's future, is that there is one major, major golf commentator/color analyst who fell from the very top of the pro tour almost overnight.

One day Johnny Miller was on the verge of joining the  greatest then lost is so quick, never to recover. How come he does not compare Tiger to himself?

Miller was a great player but he never had the sustained dominance of Tiger. Even he recognizes that he was never the putter or the consistently dominant player that Tiger was at his best. Johnny just had days where he was THAT good.

Tom Watson is a closer comparison. He took longer to win big consistently the way Tiger did, but once he did he was a remarkable winner, Majors especially (all 8 wins from 75-83) including taking down Nicklaus head to head a couple of times. At his peak he was a fearless putter and chipper. Then one day he stopped making putts. It's not like he was done done (as evidenced by the 09 Open Ch, which would have been the greatest sports victory ever!), but he just stopped winning like he once did. How many more Majors would Watson have won, considering how spectacularly he still hits the ball now, if he just could have regained his putting stroke and confidence? Unfortunately for these guys at that level, once they lose their edge on the greens they just never seem to get it all the way back.

This may be Tiger. Doesnt mean he didn't have the greatest run ever, or that he cant win a Bay Hill or even a major or two, but if the putts don't drop consistently it is pretty unreasonable for anyone to expect him to have what would essentially be another upper echelon Hall of Fame level career starting from now in order to pass Nicklaus. It isn't impossible, just unlikely with injury issues and putts that don't drop.
post #101 of 160
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If Glen Plake can switch to shaped skis, Tiger can switch to a long putter.

 

(and yes I am going to burn in hell!)

 

Tiger's back in DC doing early promo for the ATT National.  

post #102 of 160
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 Tiger can switch to a long putter.

 

I just spit up on my computer, LMFAO!!!

 

I doubt that will ever happen. Now a belly putter, who knows. On futher consideration, no chance on that one either.

 

It ain't the putter it's the puttee!!!!

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I just spit up on my computer, LMFAO!!!

 

I doubt that will ever happen. Now a belly putter, who knows. On futher consideration, no chance on that one either.

 

It ain't the putter it's the puttee!!!!

The puttee is the ball...it is the putt-er that is the issue. beercheer.gif but i agree with you. Tiger is a mess and shows how really mentally tough this game is. It is redonkulously tough. 

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post #104 of 160
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I just spit up on my computer, LMFAO!!!

 

I doubt that will ever happen. Now a belly putter, who knows. On futher consideration, no chance on that one either.

 

It ain't the putter it's the puttee!!!!

So glad I could help. I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

 

Personally, I'd bet money that Tiger would retire from pro golf without switching to a long putter. Publicly, for the sake of humor, I predict that Tiger will switch one year after joining the Senior tour.

 

Be the ball!

post #105 of 160

I seriously doubt Tiger will ever play on the Senior Tour.  He's said as much in the past.

post #106 of 160
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Yeah but when he's old enough for the senior tour he will have forgotten what he said about not playing.duck.gif

post #107 of 160

Not a bad way to finish the day today.  NICE!!!icon14.gif

post #108 of 160

Amazing shot!  Simply "old school Tiger"  I was glad he carefully celebrated that shot by not twisting the knee biggrin.gif

 

well done.

post #109 of 160

What a close out.  The putt at 18 to lock it down was a real exclamation point. 

 

Did not look like Fowler enjoyed the day much.

post #110 of 160

Thanks Tiger for proving my point.  *Ahem* - 3 weeks ago... "People need to stop looking at one or two tournaments and getting all panicky.  Sometimes in golf everything clicks but if it's based on a new swing it may come and go several times before your game becomes more consistent."

 

If he doesn't win the US Open at Olympic Club in 2 weeks (which, I might add, does not setup well for him), can we please skip all of the what's wrong with Tiger talk this time around?  He's now won at Bay Hill and The Memorial - two signature events on tour, and it's not even the middle of June.  I suspect he'll have at least 4 or 5 wins by the end of the season.  And I also suspect he may miss a few more cuts in between those wins as his new swing continues to settle in.

post #111 of 160
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#4 in the world rankings now? Ratings were up - go figure. Tim Finchem is one hell of salesman (selling a Hot Tiger TV contract before Tiger got hot).

 

If he doesn't win at the US Open, he's a pu..duck.gif, -- no wait --- he's still a member of the cat family

post #112 of 160

Great, awful, and all points in between the Tiger phenomenon is still amazing and captivating.  He is still the main topic of most golf related discussions regardless of how well or poorly he is doing at any given moment.  Even the John Daly train wrecks never gathered anywhere near the amount of attention that The Tiger Show does on a quiet day. 

post #113 of 160
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Did somebody say train wreck?

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post #114 of 160

^^^ We should add that to the standard forum smiley collection.

 

I may attend Friday's round of the US Open but I'm honestly torn between going in person and watching on TV.  I guess it's only a friday round so I may go for it.

post #115 of 160
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Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson and Masters champion Bubba Watson will play in the same group for the opening two rounds of the U.S. Open.
 

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post #116 of 160
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Jay,

 

Having been to the US Open at Congressional -> GO!  ... and record the broadcast.

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post #118 of 160

Watching him play yesterday, the first day of the U.S. Open, I do think now that he is back. 

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post #119 of 160
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Did I see Tiger tee off on one par 4 with a 9 iron? What a clinic on course management! It's telling when TV stopped showing Phil and Bubba shots. So much for the raining (sic) Masters champion. Will Sean's book be titled "He's Baaa-aaack"?

post #120 of 160

The difference between Tiger right now and Tiger at Augusta is he is elevating the ball significantly - like he used to.  Have to like his chances after that opening round.

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