Originally Posted by TheRusty
Suspect? He's been involved with over 300 courses
. However, if you've ever seen his fitness or technique tips, the man is an honest to goodness old school animal. He's achieved his well earned greatness the hard way, by doing things other people wouldn't do with a level of effort most folks can't even fathom. He may be going Brian Williams on us, but I doubt it. Even if he's dead wrong, he should be given enough respect to be listened to 3 times to find any shred of what he's saying that is right because over his lifetime he has given us a lot of extremely valuable advice. In my book, his motives are beyond question. If anything, this is because he cares too much about the sport.
Well suspect might not be the right word. You called it an ignorant rant, but clearly he's not ignorant. He's played and won at the highest level and a course designer! Also old school? Not in that rant since essentially it's not about the subject - the US Open. He could have made all his points and yet still addressed the subject responsibly.
It's fine to disagree with the design, but calling it the worst course he's ever seen in 63 years? Come on.
Sounds like marketing to me once you learn he's a competitor essentially in course design. Besides, course designers aren't the one's calling the big shots of what it will be or how much it will cost to play there.
He calls out the designer by name, he rants about the length, he rants about the water use, and rants about the greens. Rants about golf courses being worthless because no one plays anymore. How much of that has anything to do with a US Open Course? Whi h is supposed to be hard.
Once the casual golf watcher digs a little you find out the length is about usual, maybe a 20-30 yards per hole longer but the ball also bounces further. So that argument is irrelevant. The water use? He bases that on the length of course yet supplies no info at all . Just looking at it it's pretty obvious that it probably uses a fraction of the water of Augusta or any other lush course. So that argument is unsupported and frankly suspect. It's also a red herring for "worst course" ever since it has nothing to do with the course being "worst ever".
The common man course and argument is also a red herring. It has little to do with a US Open or why this is the worst course he's seen.
So the only thing is the greens argument. Ok, they maybe went a little far making them so fast. But watching, it is interesting to see the lines they need to play.
He never addresses the scores and he's asked about it. They're not hat bad. Nothing like the quote below where Player, Palmer, and Nicklaus all finished worse than Tiger did here.
Oh, the County bought the land for 33 million times 1$.
A developer may build another course suitable for carts and a hotel at the site in addition to the current course which has to be walked. That would be roughly $120 million. That's probably worthy of a rant because it won't be cheap to play. Yet I doubt Player would turn the job down.
This puts things in perspective:
Nicklaus, Irwin: Why complain about U.S. Open at Chambers Bay?Edited by Tog - 6/21/15 at 1:25pm
“Guys would say a course doesn’t suit their game. It’s not supposed to suit your game. You are supposed to suit your game to the golf course.”
Not that Nicklaus didn’t run up against U.S. Open courses that weren’t forgettable. Most notably, Hazeltine in 1970, when he had a first-round 81 and wound up miles behind. “The only golf course that I've ever been to where Arnold (Palmer) and Gary (Player) and I were not even close and they kept our scores on the leaderboard all week long,” Nicklaus said.
With England’s Tony Jacklin in command of the tournament, ahead of Dave Hill, whose biting comments about Hazeltine were a storyline all week, officials must have felt it was important to deflect attention toward the game’s biggest three names.
“At the bottom of the leaderboard would be Palmer (T-54), Player (T-44) and Nicklaus (T-51) and our score is like 26 over par. It was ridiculous.”
Yet Nicklaus wasn’t about to rip Hazeltine ahead of time, just as he wasn’t about to moan about the demanding challenge that was Pebble Beach in 1972. He shot 290? So what, he won, handling the mental test better than anyone.
[Hale] Irwin was there at Pebble in ’72, his 306 total the highest 72-hole score in his 33 U.S. Opens. But that was an indication of Pebble’s challenge that week, because Irwin finished tied for 36th, and he left there knowing he had what it takes to win this championship.
“I always felt that I was going to hit a lot of bad shots at the U.S. Open, that it was always about having the mental discipline to accept that. The U.S. Open had deeper rough, faster greens, and harder challenges? That was fine with me,” Irwin said.