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going out of bounds?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

My friend about a month ago went out of bounds at brighton resort and ski patrol actually saw him and caught up and took his pass for a month, he said he was lucky not to get fined 600 dollars.


I have never gone under the ropes or into a run closed at that time for avie danger, but I have been very tempted to go where there are no tracks O.B. Do any of you ever go out of bounds to do skiing and what is the difference if you just drive up the canyon and ski where you want not at the resort but where the resort considers O.B from leaving the bounderies of the resort?

post #2 of 10

I suspect your friend entered a closed Avalanche Control Area, a big no no.  There is a lot to learn before you think about skiing OB in Utah.  You will find much information by doing a search on the topic.


post #3 of 10
Ducking under the ropes is a big No NO at most resorts and depending on what state you are in can bring big fines.

Going through a back country gate that is posted as an entrance to back country skiing and has the normal advisaries and disclaimers is allowed but only suggested for those who know what they are doing as you will be leaving the resort's responsibility.

A back country rescue can be quite expensive whether you entered legally or not.

Know where you are going. Know what you are doing.

Rick G
post #4 of 10

areas have different policies, some depending upon who owns the land, private or public, BLM or State Forest, etc. of course you have at least a season of learning how to ski BC to do first

post #5 of 10

First off Out-Of-Bounds and entering a closed area (either permanent or temporary) are two different things.


Out-of-Bounds is going beyond the resorts boundary..... You are on your own regardless of the rules outside of this boundary..... Local rules and land ownership will dictate if OB skiing is allowed or not.... Also resorts may restrict access to specified gates or allow you to duck out anywhere.... In some states ducking the boundary rope = fine..... Best bet is to ask local patrol what the deal is.



Closed Areas:


Permanant closure = No Go.... weather for avi, safety or political.... expect to lose pass or be fined/arrested.


Temp avi closure = No Go..... dangerous conditions for you, explosives may be in use or you may put other open areas at risk...... expect to lose pass or be fined/arrested.


Temp trail closure = maybe.... depending on resort rules, trail are roped off when conditions are not ideal or hazards such as cliffs exist.... some resorts let you enter at own risk, others will treat as trespassing. Check with local patrol.


post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 

At Alta, as far as I can tell, they only close runs for avalanche control work. I have never seen any gate at Alta that says you are leaving the bounderies. It is like ropes with little signs everywhere that say "do not enter, avalanche danger"

post #7 of 10
Originally Posted by sugarluver View Post

At Alta, as far as I can tell, they only close runs for avalanche control work. I have never seen any gate at Alta that says you are leaving the bounderies. It is like ropes with little signs everywhere that say "do not enter, avalanche danger"

there are gates.


and at Brighton they NEVER close the boundary line gate, but crossing though it means you are assuming responsibility for yourself and your touring party. You friend duck either a permanent closure rope or avy sign line rope both of which the resort would be pretty upset if you were to duck them.




from your post on here you are not ready for out of bounds skiing in utah.

post #8 of 10

I sometimes duck a rope when I use the ski area as access for a backcountry tour.  I leave the area at a safe location, equiped for what I'm doing.  To prevent the ski patrol from looking for a lost person, or someone from following my tracks, I herringbone backwards so it looks like I entered, rather than exited.


If you leave an area, you have to know if it is closed because that is the edge of their patrolling/avi control, or if it is closed because going into that area can threaten other people, by bringing an avalanche into the ski area.  You also need to know if the area patrol routinely  follow tracks at the ropes, looking for lost skiers.

post #9 of 10

Newfydog's post was very thought provoking.  Unless you know as much as the patrol about the out of bounds conditions, you have no business going there.  You may think you are just taking a chance on your own safety, but you are potentially endangering others you may not even know are there, as well as those that go to rescue you, or even just to look for you because of your tracks.


Patrolmen do not go home if there is a chance someone is unaccounted for.  Your tracks leading off area, or into slide you skied out of might mean a long night for others who may be risking their lives as volunteers, or low paid pros. 


Unless you have had avalanche training, you don't know what you don't know, and arrogant ignorance is a dangerous combination.

post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 

yeah, I wasn't planning on going back country any time soon but if I keep improving at the rate I am, I could see myself doing it next year. I will make sure to take precautions though.



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