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post #1 of 26
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Hi,

 

you might remember me from about a month ago posting here. I have been skiing a lot since and I have definatly improved (longer skis definatly helped a ton). But I have a few questions. If you don't know, I live near the Alta ski resort and I have a pass there.

 

  So, I have been really havin fun doing jumps and cliffs lately off groomed and such. There are a few jumps and cliffs I want to hit but the landings are steep and bumpy. One of the jumps is the one right under neath Collins lift, it is like a big mound and a long landing. I really want to be able to hit this jump with speed and not have to worry about crashing on the run out because the landing/run-out is bumpy and not smooth and it is steep. Can you tell me how to handle these sketchy run outs without just crashing? There is another little cliff off of a groomer that I want to try but the landing, again has bumps and moguls and is also steep. I really don't like making turns to scrub speed while going fast on bumps and uneven slope so just running out onto the groomer I think would be easier.

 

Also, I want to try a 180 but I am having trouble finding a jump to try it on. Anyone skied at Alta somewhat recently? I don't expect to land first try but I want to do it on a jump that has an almost flat run out so I don't get too much speed switch. Anytips for this?

 

 

Thanks  

post #2 of 26

DUDE, if you have to ask the question about how to land the jump - sounds like going for it now is a bit too sketchy.  Have fun, take  your time an do jumps and ski terrain that is challenging but do-able.  Then you will not crack your coconut or break you back, or leg, or whatever.  You will one day make that jump, I can tell by your enthusiasm.  But don't rush it.  pbartski - your friendly neighborhood (55yo) family MD

 

 

 

 

post #3 of 26
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It's not the jump lol and it isn't the landing either. I am getting around 4-6 feet high in the air off of jumps when I am pushing it a little. I can land the jump it is just when I am landing that thing, the backside of it, I will be going very fast considering it will be rough over bumps and moguls. I just find cliffs and such that I would be willing to try if the landing wasn't so sketchy and steep.

 

I know of many jumps/cliffs at Alta with good landings that I do all of the time, just I basically want to be able to not only land a jump but stay up on the run out when it is sketchy.

post #4 of 26

like he said^^^, and don't jump where the run out sucks, your instinct is good on that. learn jumps in soft snow. land on a steep  that transitions onto flatter run out terrain.

post #5 of 26
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davluri, we were typing at the same time haha

 

thanks

post #6 of 26

Practice high speed traversing through mogul fields or other terrain similar to your LZ.  Use your legs like shock absorbers to smooth it out.

 

Like Davluri says,  steep landings are better than flat, but you have to have the skills to ski out of it.  Take it from me, your back will pay later in life for landing in the flats.

 

Remember, the jump doesn't count if you don't stick the landing... & make sure no one is in the way!

 

JF

post #7 of 26
Not sure if Alta has a park but practice the 180 there before taking it to the wild
post #8 of 26
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Alta has no park, and I like steep landings a lot better than flat, just little trickier skiing out of. I might try a little 180 today on a jump I think would be best.

post #9 of 26
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I found a little step-up that I landed a 180 on today (my first 180). It felt really weird like I almost looped out forward when I landed it. Anyway, the landing to the jump that has moguls on the landing was actually pretty smooth today so I was able to hit it.

 

Any of you feel like you lose your balance in the air off of jumps? Whenever I try to go bigger than usual off jumps (not really cliffs), I feel like I am either too far back or too far forward in the air.Will this go away over practics?  Sometimes I go so far forward when I make a mistake on a jump that I am like kicking my legs and arms in the air because I lose my balance or something.

post #10 of 26

the jump you speak of is at alta is prety sketchy but its fun one. Really has a floatly feel, IIRC you also jump over some small pine trees.

 

 

FYI most people who hit that have overly long trucks of skis and thats what lets them ski away clean from jumps like that.

 

The best way to hit jumps is to be active IE actually pop and do something from a centered stance.  being a sack of potatoes on take off usually means youll take ait like one and land like one.

post #11 of 26
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Yeah, I did it a few times, by no means I went big at all but I got the feel for the landing. The landing was actually surpsrisingly smooth yesterday though.

 

 

Bushwackerin, that would be cool if you tell me where are some jumps/cliffs I should go to that are good. I like the jump to the left of lower ballroom since it has a high angle lip. The landing is sketchy so I turn away and stop.

 

One of my favorite runs to do is take wildcat, traverse under the lift at the top to that jump with the sharp lip, then cut right to that cliff, then go to the gully to the side of collins and do the jumps in there, the step-up is where I landed my one eighty, it has a jump up to a nice flat landing to land switch. I then go over towards the groomer and jump that cliff type thing, then go where the jump with the large hill is at the base.

 

What is another fun trick I should try? If I have doubt I am going to land it, I practice on a jump with a soft landing

 

Thanks

post #12 of 26
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post #13 of 26
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For those who have skied at Alta, where is a place at Alta in bounds that has a back country feel with like trackless powder and such? I know it all eventually gets skied out but I am just wondering.

post #14 of 26

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Originally Posted by sugarluver View Post

For those who have skied at Alta, where is a place at Alta in bounds that has a back country feel with like trackless powder and such? I know it all eventually gets skied out but I am just wondering.


How much do you want to work for it?  Anything in bounds, with a back country feel requires a hike if you want untracked.  Unless you happen to be lucky enough to be standing there when they drop the rope at Ballroom or High T, and even then, you'll get one or two good runs before the place is inundated with people.  That's the problem with the low-hanging fruit, like Ballroom.  It requires absolutely no effort to get to it, so if your timing isn't spot on, you don't get any good tracks.  In my experience, the hike at the top of Collins over to Backside is a great little hike, and very easy.  On the days when they get ready to open East Greeley after it's been closed by a big storm, they'll usually open that hike first.  Take 10 minutes and head up there.  It's usually not very crowded, and you don't have to go up all that far to get over to the backside, but there is lots of untracked for the taking.  Also a favorite is the boot hike straight up from the top of Wildcat, but it can get skied out pretty quickly on a deep powder day.  Then there's Devils Castle, of course.  One of our faves is East Castle, and the Apron.  Get ready to sidestep your ass off, though.  But the results are well worth it.  If I'm not in a hiking kinda mood, and the day is deep, traverse all the way across High T and head over to Eagles Nest.  I've been there in 30" of fresh powder...you think you've died and gone to heaven.

post #15 of 26
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Can you get to Eagles Nest from the Traverse like 100 feet down from the two higher ones? I have heard the High T is pretty sketchy sometimes. But yeah, thanks for posting that. I have actually never been to Castle and only once went with a friend on the back side but not very far North. I will check it out. I have been not very lucky and having all the snow come on Monday and Tuesday for the past 3 weeks, I am hoping we get dumped this weekend, I really don't get a lot of enjoyment out of going off groomed on week old snow.

post #16 of 26

 eagles nest take high t thru piss pass go left stay high past high rustler entrance go 50 to 60 yards over small hill stay a little right and hed into the trees fairly narrow shot great skin when good

post #17 of 26

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Can you get to Eagles Nest from the Traverse like 100 feet down from the two higher ones? I have heard the High T is pretty sketchy sometimes. But yeah, thanks for posting that. I have actually never been to Castle and only once went with a friend on the back side but not very far North. I will check it out. I have been not very lucky and having all the snow come on Monday and Tuesday for the past 3 weeks, I am hoping we get dumped this weekend, I really don't get a lot of enjoyment out of going off groomed on week old snow.

 

No.  That lower traverse pretty much dead ends at a point where you can't pass the rocks and trees unless you want to hike back up, which you really don't.  High T can be rocky for sure, but it's nothing that can't be avoided.

post #18 of 26
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Ok, today I went up and even though there was old snow, I wanted to know how to get to Eagles Nest for tommorow (we are getting about 6-8 inches). So I took the high traverse all of the way to like that big blue mat thing and went over that and then I sorta had no idea where I had gone, it seemed very steep and like it wouldn't be too fun over there and I popped out like in the middle of the tow rope, was that eagles nest or somewhere else? I actually kinda got lost but I made my way down.

post #19 of 26

Take the high traverse over the mat and go hard left.  Carry some speed. You pass the top of Stone Crusher and then get to the knob that is the top of High Rustler.  You can keep going straight, or ski off the right face of the knob to the flat and then turn left back to your original direction. If you go through the trees it opens up and that is the Eagle's Nest area.  It ends at the flat rope tow.  There are several chutes and different lines, but basically if you head straight towards the middle of the rope tow you are on Eagles Nest from the way I understand it, although I am sure there are local names for some of the multiple lines.

 

The updated Cottonwood Canyon Forecast at 5:00 this afternoon is for 18-30" between now and Tuesday afternoon.  Going to try and head up there tomorrow myself.

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The updated Cottonwood Canyon Forecast at 5:00 this afternoon is for 18-30" between now and Tuesday afternoon.  Going to try and head up there tomorrow myself.


Sweet! Wish I was going to be there myself...! icon14.gif

post #21 of 26

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Ok, today I went up and even though there was old snow, I wanted to know how to get to Eagles Nest for tommorow (we are getting about 6-8 inches). So I took the high traverse all of the way to like that big blue mat thing and went over that and then I sorta had no idea where I had gone, it seemed very steep and like it wouldn't be too fun over there and I popped out like in the middle of the tow rope, was that eagles nest or somewhere else?


That's pretty much the general area.  Hard to tell if you were on Eagle's Nest, per se, since there are really no signs, but some of the best skiing around, after a big powder dump, is all those little chutes through the trees.  If you pass Stonecrusher and High Rustler, and you come out at the flat by the rope tow, you've taken a pretty good line down.

post #22 of 26
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I found some really fun lines in those trees on the slope facing North. I also tried the hike you were talking about and went all the way to that narrow shoot. That was also a fun run. When katherines area opened up, I tried that too (the hike North from the top of Supreme). While I was very unsure about it since I had never been there it looks like a very nice place on A pow day. But what do you mean by the Apron, where is that? I was going to go over to Castle but it was closed.

post #23 of 26

The Apron area is in East Castle.  Access off Supreme lift.  Ski the cat track all the way down, but stay high and left, along the rope line.  You'll come to a gate where you have to sidestep.  That's the Apron.

post #24 of 26

By the way, if you can't find it, it's on the trail map.  The map doesn't tell you how difficult that hike is, though.

post #25 of 26
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cool. I have will be up at Alta by around 1 tommorow since we have a short day. We got 16 inches last night (Monday night into early Tuesday morning) and the storm came a day early. I think I know which one you are talking about at Supreme. Could you possibly give me advice where I could go tommorow to get untracked (if anywhere) Because today was a nice day but it was a work day so I'm not sure how many people went up and tracked everything out, but the powder will be 1 and a half days old by the time I get up there. I am asking because I sort of want to know where to go that is last to get tracked up. I don't know if they shot in the castle today but hopefully it will be open tommorow at 1. I am still kinda new to this whole thing but hopefully I will soon be able to know where to go for fresh snow.

 

BTW, I found a cool video of this guy. Most of places don't look at all familiar but look like fun places to go. he did say Most of it was filmed at Alta so...

 

Can you recognize any of this? Where is 5:20-5:32??

 

post #26 of 26

Dude, I think most of that stuff was filmed up off Mt. Superior, or the Wolverine Cirque, which runs between Solitude, Brighton and Alta.  It appears to be almost all backcountry stuff.

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