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Bindings for Stockli Laser SX?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

First post!  But I have been a regular reader, with thanks to the many excellent reviews, recommendations, and insights of the members of this forum.  Seems to be a very knowledgeable bunch!

 

I am buying the Stockli Laser SX and looking for recommendations on the binding.  Thoughts?  I am 175-180lbs, 5'9", fairly aggressive skier, and I ski a variety of terrain.  The SX will be my hardpack/groomer ski for shorter-to-mid radius turns, for those days where I just want to turn and carve on-piste and for use at eastern resorts. 

 

Your recommendations are appreciated! 

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post #2 of 26

Great ski, but binding placement is critical or the ski will bit you. I would strongly recommend that you use an adjustable binding to avoid re-mounting  I have Vist Speedlock plates and 614 bindings, but a Marker Schitzo or Tyrolia Railflex would also provide for easy adjustment.

 

BTW, what length are you going?  The ski is powerful but don't be afraid to go a little longer.  I'm 20lbs heavier than you and an on the 178cm.

post #3 of 26

 

I ski Stockli XL with the binding mounted where Stockli marks the boot center. That ski probably doesn't have a lot of latitude for interpretation on placement. Put a nice binding on those nice skis, whatever you deem that to be. I would size the ski small if anything, that is forehead height at the longest, as it is made very strong and will perform with power and stability in the correct size. IMO as a fan of Stockli skis.

post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the pointers Taxman.  For an adjustable, I was considering the Tyrolia PowerRail system.  I am going with the 170cm length, which seems to be best suited to my height, weight and planned usage. 

post #5 of 26
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Thanks davluri, 170cm is about 5cm shorter than me, so it will be forehead height.  162cm (the next size down) would definitely be too short for me. 

post #6 of 26

Is 170 the size it is made? that would be perfect, as at 135lb I ride the 165, and it's long enough without doubt. for example, in most Stockli models, the 178 is a LOT of ski.

post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

Is 170 the size it is made? that would be perfect, as at 135lb I ride the 165, and it's long enough without doubt. for example, in most Stockli models, the 178 is a LOT of ski.


Yes, the sizes available for the Laser SX are 154, 162, 170, 178.  The 170 is pretty much perfect for me. 
 

post #8 of 26

I sold a customer the 170cm SX w/Powerrail: he loved it.  I have skied the VIST speedlock pro 6-14, and it was an incredible ski as well. Probably a touch stiffer  than the PowerRail setup.  The SX is a great ski; one of the very top carvers ever made, right up there with the Kastle RX12. You won't be disappointed! 

post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

I sold a customer the 170cm SX w/Powerrail: he loved it.  I have skied the VIST speedlock pro 6-14, and it was an incredible ski as well. Probably a touch stiffer  than the PowerRail setup.  The SX is a great ski; one of the very top carvers ever made, right up there with the Kastle RX12. You won't be disappointed! 



Awesome, thanks for the feedback.  I haven't heard much about the PowerRail system, but from an engineering design standpoint, it seems pretty incredible.   

post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 

What about the Marker Comp binding with the Piston plate?  Anyone have any thoughts on that binding coupled with the Laser SX's?

post #11 of 26

I haven't skied the Marker plate, but the issue for me with the SX is the binding placement.  The first time I skied the SX I though this is powerful and it will bite me if I don't stay forward.  I moved the 614 bindings forward one notch on the Speedlock plate and my thoughts went from have I bitten off more than I can chew to wow.

 

Like dawgcatching has said, this ski deserves the best binding you can afford.  No rocker or early rise crap, this is just an awsome traditional camber front side carving machine that hangs on like a scolded cat.

post #12 of 26
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Hey Tax and Dawg, I agree with the best binding you can afford with this ski.  That said, what is the "money is no object" binding for this ski?  (in your opinion)  drool.gif

post #13 of 26
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What about the Marker Comp binding with the Piston plate?  Anyone have any thoughts on that binding coupled with the Laser SX's?


That's what I use on my skis with Marker 16.0 binding. It works great and is pretty adjustable. You can adjust delta on the binding as well as minor adjustments to fore/aft.

post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by Clax View Post

Hey Tax and Dawg, I agree with the best binding you can afford with this ski.  That said, what is the "money is no object" binding for this ski?  (in your opinion)  drool.gif



Vist Speedlock plate and 614 bindings.

 

Nice thing about the Speedlock plate (other than adjustability) is for your other alpine skis, you can put on a Speedlock plate and swap the bindings in less than 2 minutes.  With Speedlock, I am now carrying 3 pairs of alpine skis and one set of bindings.

post #15 of 26
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I think I have decided to go with the Vist 614 with Speedlock.  There is nobody in my area that carries this product.  Anyone know where I can get them, either an online store or a dealer that can ship to Canada?  Thanks!

post #16 of 26

Try a PM to dawgcatching.

post #17 of 26

I have the Sx's in the 178 with the Marker 11-20 Binding and their race plate. It is a wicked set up, quite expensive but I plan to be on this for a few years and I am sure that the bindings will alst me a long time.

 

The ski is great for short and medium turns and gives a great kick when you load it up and release the turn a bit too early. I have just skiied on these for the past 3 days and I am still yet to master them but they are an incredibly fun ski! I have the binding just center mounted where the ski suggests. It is pretty bang on! the vist binding system is a good one though if you plan to run the system on a few pairs of skis, otherwise it is pretty expensive, but I cant really talk by spending way too much on my binding set up! Could have easily gone with the 16 Din from Marker but what is a few extra hundred $$$ when you spend so much on the ski itself!

 

ENJOY

post #18 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for their input.  I located a set of Vist 614 bindings and Speedlock TT plate at a dealer in Canada, and will have the set-up mounted this week.  I will be sure to report a review of the combo after I get a few days on them.  Thanks again for the sound advice from the people on this forum. 

post #19 of 26

Its a great combination. Get the Speedlock plate mounted on the line (in relation to your boots) a have a play forwards and backwards.  I nearly always end up at +1cm. Enjoy.

post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks Tax.  By the way, your 614's, are they the 614 Race, or 614 Free? 

post #21 of 26

614 Free.  BTW, they worked superbly for me last week after catching a ski in a pile of sugar snow at high speed last week.  Other than both skis and my cap, all I lost was my dignity (when a snow boarder stopped to see if I was okay).

post #22 of 26

Clax, you are going to love these skis.  They are easy to ski but hold a turn nicely, very nicely.  I'm the one that dawgcatching just sold the SX with Powerrail bindings to.  My wife tried out my skis, made five runs on them, and now we are picking up a used pair with Speedlock Pros and 614 bindings for her.  We have let others make a few runs on them and the reaction is always the same, "These are incredible."  An added benefit, they will improve your technique.  Enjoy them.

 

I talked to another skier at our local hill, who also skis Stocklis, and he said putting the VIST plates on his skis reduced chatter on ice by half.

post #23 of 26

1badknee, thats interesting about the chatter reduced. I love stocklis and I just picked up the SC and put a vist wc race plate on it and the lack of chatter amazes me. I can only imagine how the SX would be......

 

I have to demo these somewhere.

 

 

 

Johnny

 

post #24 of 26
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I talked to another skier at our local hill, who also skis Stocklis, and he said putting the VIST plates on his skis reduced chatter on ice by half.



I feel that chatter has to do with improper matching of edge angle and pressure. I am on the Stockli SX in 178cm (I am 5' 10" 170 lbs) and have to intentionally mismatch edge angle and pressure to make them chatter - however, skiing properly they will never chatter on any surface. Chatter is typically the symptom of rushing the top of the turn to develop a higher edge angle than the building edge pressure can sustain. I am using Kneebindings on mine, with no plates and no chatter.

 

post #25 of 26

^^^^What he said, at least about chatter. Cannot speak to bindings except that Vist plates are nice. 

post #26 of 26

Has anyone tried Comp 16.0 EPS with Piston Plates on Stockli SX? Any thoughts on this set up?

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