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WTT: Marker Griffon for Look PX14XXL

post #1 of 11
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UPDATE:  TRADE NOT NEEDED ANYMORE


Looking to trade new in box Jesters (DIN12), 110mm brakes  to a Look/Dynastar/Rossi PX or Pivot bindings with metal arms and 120mm brakes.  Will consider paying a bit extra, especially for Pivots.  I am in the Bay Area/Tahoe, so I would strongly prefer a local swap.  

 

So, why would you want to do this?  Well, if you are a fan of Royalty series, or looking for a lighter swing weight binding.  PX14 are heavy pigs, Jesters are amazingly light.  I happen to prefer the Looks, but you may be different.   


Edited by alexzn - 1/30/11 at 4:00pm
post #2 of 11

I have some PX18XXL's I'd consider as part of a trade.  Also brand-new, although I seem to be missing 1 screw..  

 

Let me know if you're interested.  Thanks.

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Uff, those start at 8 or 10, right? I ski at DIN 8.5...  Where are you located anyway?

post #4 of 11

Yea they're pretty burly.  DIN starts at a 10, so maybe not the right binding for the job here.

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Yeah, PX15 may be the ultimate most durable binding for regular folks, PX18 is really made for cliff-huckers...  Great stuff though, but heavy...PX18 is smth like 9lb, Griffons 4lb...   

post #6 of 11

Just curious if you are skiing at an 8.5 why a 15 or 14 din? 12 will be way more than enough. Are you really destroying bindings?

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

 

No, Griffon at 12 DIN will be enough, I just don't like the way heel releases, too abrupt, one minute you are firmly in, the next minute you are in a free fall. The PX12 vs PX14 issue is in the heel track design, the 12 is a rack adjustment, the 14 is a shorter track with an inchworm, which gives more precise pressure setting. Really minor differences. The only binding I destroyed, was cheap Marker Rotamat imitation long time ago, but that's another story... I feel like Px14/15 are reasonably overbuilt, and still have the DIN range accessible to regular folks. I had skis with PX12 and had no issues with durability. My friends 16 yo son is on freestyle team and skis on Griffons with no issues, and these guys huck cliffs on a daily basis.
post #8 of 11

My only issues with the look family of bindings are two. Heavy. And they are hard to get into compared to other bindings espically on steep terrain and or deep snow. For on piste they are ok for my, off piste I look elsewhere.

I must say I've heard people say they don't like marker heel release but love the toe release. I'm not that particular I guess.

Thanks for the explaination. I get it.

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by ski=free View Post

My only issues with the look family of bindings are two. Heavy. And they are hard to get into compared to other bindings espically on steep terrain and or deep snow. 


Hmmm... IMO, Looks are the easiest to get into in deep now becuase you can just lift the heel lever instead of trying to stomp into it in deel snow.  To me that's a huge advantage.  Marker essentially copied Look's heel form factor for the Royalty series.  Obviously the internals are different.  

 

My (and I think a lot of others') gripe with the Royalty (and previous Marker) heels is that they do not have any elastic travel, the binding grips the boot very firmly until you reach a force of release, and then, boom, you are cleanly out of the binding in a split second.  That behavior may have advantages from the safety standpoint (if you have to get out, you are better off getting out right away), but that does make it vulnerable to momentary high-force shocks (that's what we call prerelease), and it does not give you any advance warning of the ejection. Look on the other hand have a lot of elastic travel, which eliminates prerelease, and also gives you ample warning- I can almost feel the heel turning on its pivot.  Both are safe and good enough- if I dont find any swappers in this thread, I will just mount the Griffons and I am sure they will do fine (maybe I will set the heel at 9.5 instead of 8.5, but that would be it).  

 

Really all modern bindings are pretty safe, so I generally go with what I can buy for a decent price; price being equal Look gets my business every time. 

post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post


Quote:
Originally Posted by ski=free View Post

My only issues with the look family of bindings are two. Heavy. And they are hard to get into compared to other bindings espically on steep terrain and or deep snow. 


Hmmm... IMO, Looks are the easiest to get into in deep now becuase you can just lift the heel lever instead of trying to stomp into it in deel snow.  To me that's a huge advantage.  Marker essentially copied Look's heel form factor for the Royalty series.  Obviously the internals are different.  

 

My (and I think a lot of others') gripe with the Royalty (and previous Marker) heels is that they do not have any elastic travel, the binding grips the boot very firmly until you reach a force of release, and then, boom, you are cleanly out of the binding in a split second.  That behavior may have advantages from the safety standpoint (if you have to get out, you are better off getting out right away), but that does make it vulnerable to momentary high-force shocks (that's what we call prerelease), and it does not give you any advance warning of the ejection. Look on the other hand have a lot of elastic travel, which eliminates prerelease, and also gives you ample warning- I can almost feel the heel turning on its pivot.  Both are safe and good enough- if I dont find any swappers in this thread, I will just mount the Griffons and I am sure they will do fine (maybe I will set the heel at 9.5 instead of 8.5, but that would be it).  

 

Really all modern bindings are pretty safe, so I generally go with what I can buy for a decent price; price being equal Look gets my business every time. 

 

Thanks! Great explaination and a lesson for me. Appreciated much.

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 

Well, seems like no takers.  The bindings went on a ski, so the trade is off.  

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