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post #1 of 11
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Looking for recommendation good bump, glade ski specifically but also something to ski courdroy comfortably when necessary...

 

6'

185lbs

 

Expert skier in Northeast

 

Any recommendations would be appreciated.. as well as good online site for great deals...

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 11
I know I sound like a broken record.....

Try the Volkl AC30. Do a search on this forum and I am sure all of my raves will pop up.

Good luck!

Rick G
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Originally Posted by cpan101 View Post

Looking for recommendation good bump, glade ski specifically but also something to ski courdroy comfortably when necessary...

 

6'

185lbs

 

Expert skier in Northeast

 

Any recommendations would be appreciated.. as well as good online site for great deals...

 

Thanks!



what mountian(s)?

 

put a 1-10 value on each terrain type bumps/woods/groomers but the total can not add up to more 20. Ie not a single ski can do it all greatly but are you willing to sacrifice.

post #4 of 11

The Dynastar Sultan 85 would be worth checking out and possibly the 94.  I own the 85 and have found that is probably one of the most well rounded skis out there.  The 94 should be very similar but with a little more soft snow performance.

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Originally Posted by rickg View Post

I know I sound like a broken record.....

Try the Volkl AC30. Do a search on this forum and I am sure all of my raves will pop up.

Good luck!

Rick G

 

Dood, your infatuation with the AC30 has gone from being annoying to appearing truly over-the-top juvenile.I mean c'mon, 154 posts in 3 months, and EVERY one of them seemingly another "AC30 is the answer" (question seemingly unimportant) is just a little much.

 

Look, it's a good groomer carving ski and has good edge hold on ice (yes, yes, I've been on it and the AC50). It is NOT however a good all mountain ski compared to some of the offerings from Nordica, Blizzard, Kastle, Dynastar (I concur that the Sultan 85 is a good candidate for the OP btw) and others, (EVEN Volkl). I mean it's not even on the same page as a really good all mountain ski.

 

The OP asks for a good bump ski and the AC30 is far too stiff to be a good bump or tree ski, so you're doing this guy a real disservice with your constant blanket gushing over it in virtually any and every thread where someone asks for an opinion, even if it's fairly poor in those conditions compared to the competition, which assumedly you haven't any experience with or you would know better.

 

Do yourself a favor and see the reviews of those here who ski all day every day on different skis like SJ, PhilP, and Dawgcatching, and in their recommendations the AC30 and 50 just aren't there. Compared to other stuff the AC30 is for intermediate/advanced who like to ski groomers (or have a lot of ice to contend with) at mid to higher speeds. That's about it. Can you make it go through light pow - sure, but it's not happy there, as it's as stiff as a plank. Dawgcathing even noted in an AC50 review that it was one of the least "all mountain" of the group he was reviewing last year, and that's a bigger ski than the 30.

 

Honest - give it a rest. The AC 30 is not the answer to EVERYTHING. Honest.(sorry)

post #6 of 11
is it really neccessary to get testy on a public forum?

If you look closely at my posts, I try to make suggestions based on my considerable experience (40+ years) for those people who tend to ski where I ski, Mostly in the east with perhaps a week out west a year. If I were to be skiing primarily out west with only a week in the east I can assure you my suggestions would be different, but right now I am very impressed with my current selection. I have also posted positve reviews of other skis I either currently own or have demo'd but I stand by opinions just as I will respect yours.

Peace

Rick G
post #7 of 11

the AC 30 design is something like 6 years old, and when it came out it was a lot like the 727 Pro, so the concept is even older. Its characteristics are: very stiff in a GS flex profile and quite a bit of sidecut in the forebody. it's not gonna' float real well; it cuts through, down in the snow. also very heavy.  For glades and bumps I think it's a beast. that tail is so stiff, it will punish you the split second you get back, and in the trees, that's bad. In bumps, it's going to cut and chop into the bumps instead of smear around them, and that's bad. It's a cap construction, good or bad I can't say. it has an integrated binding, marker, a confining system IMO. you may find all these qualities to be positive, or not. but that's the ski it is. 

 

My recommendation for bumps and glades that will hold decently on EC  ice: Watea, Sultan, Shogun, and other moderately stiff skis in the 95mm range.

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Originally Posted by rickg View Post

is it really neccessary to get testy on a public forum?

If you look closely at my posts, I try to make suggestions based on my considerable experience (40+ years) for those people who tend to ski where I ski, Mostly in the east with perhaps a week out west a year. If I were to be skiing primarily out west with only a week in the east I can assure you my suggestions would be different, but right now I am very impressed with my current selection. I have also posted positve reviews of other skis I either currently own or have demo'd but I stand by opinions just as I will respect yours.

Peace

Rick G

 

I also have 40+ years (43 to be exact) experience, and strong opinions on what skis I like, but I don't give the same answer all the time, particularly when it's way off-base like suggesting a crap bump / glade ski to someone who indicates they're looking for one. If that's your considerable experience, then, well nonono2.gif. Look, go demo the Sultan 85 that's recommended above, and check the reviews as an ALL MOUNTAIN SKI from some of the professionals here, and if you don't put the AC30's immediately on Fleabay, then, well.....?

 

For some reason (as you indicate in post #2) you come off like a broken record regarding the AC30. It's just getting old, particularly when it's a very bad recommendation to the OP's question, or the same response EVERYTIME no matter what the question is.

post #9 of 11
Like I said...

Peace

Rick G
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

the AC 30 design is something like 6 years old, and when it came out it was a lot like the 727 Pro, so the concept is even older. Its characteristics are: very stiff in a GS flex profile and quite a bit of sidecut in the forebody. it's not gonna' float real well; it cuts through, down in the snow. also very heavy.  For glades and bumps I think it's a beast. that tail is so stiff, it will punish you the split second you get back, and in the trees, that's bad. In bumps, it's going to cut and chop into the bumps instead of smear around them, and that's bad. It's a cap construction, good or bad I can't say. it has an integrated binding, marker, a confining system IMO. you may find all these qualities to be positive, or not. but that's the ski it is. 

 

My recommendation for bumps and glades that will hold decently on EC  ice: Watea, Sultan, Shogun, and other moderately stiff skis in the 95mm range.


There are two versions of the AC30. The first version with 78 mm underfoot you are correct. It was replaced for the 08-09 season with an all new model 80mm underfoot with the Marker Motion IPT Wide Ride Binding based on the Jester. A totally different ski than the first version. It is being retired after this season.

Just reporting the facts.

Rick G
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post

The Dynastar Sultan 85 would be worth checking out and possibly the 94.  I own the 85 and have found that is probably one of the most well rounded skis out there.  The 94 should be very similar but with a little more soft snow performance.


 

Yep, pretty good ski for what the op asks for. Not the best tree ski, specially if you go slow in deeper snow. But for spare glades it would be fine.

 

I would think that the op could go with a bunch of differnet skis from 85-110 under foot and find a ski that works for what he is after. It really depends what he means by "comfortable" on corduroy and just how tight of lines in the trees he wants to ski and just how fast he wants to ski them and how good he is.

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