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volkl AC30 VS fischer motiv VS head ipeak 78

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Thread Starter 

 

 

I'm 5'9 165 lbs. I'm an expert type III skier, been skiing since I could walk.

 

I'm looking for an all mountain ski for East and West Coast. I like doing it all, off piste steeps, bumps, and groomers. Although I'm a good skier, I don't need a crazy aggressive racing style ski. I'm hoping to find something thats soft enough for moguls but will still hold an edge out east. I'm also only 165 lbs so I don't think I will need the stiffest ski on the market. I'm also thinking of getting an additional powder ski for big snow days (probably Icelantic Shamans), so my all mountain ski doesn't need to be crazy wide (probably  no more than low 80s under foot). I tried the mantras last year and they were way too much of an aggressive GS ski and not nearly soft enough in the  moguls. I tend not to like very wide turning radius' but could deal with wider ones if they were reactive enough and felt smaller. 

 

Does anyone have advice? I'm debating between the AC30s, Head IPeak 78, and Fischer Motiv 84. Any feeback on these skis or additional recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 

Yes thank you, this is a follow up with two different skis - the Fischer Motiv 84 and Head IPeak 78. Has anyone tried these skis?

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As a follow up to my post in your other thread, I just got home from my trip to the Beav and Vail. This was the first time skiing my much loved AC30's in deeper (+12") snow. Bottom line? They worked fine even in knee to waist deep powder. No they did not float on top, but they worked.

To be honest, after the first 16" dump I considered going down to the base and renting a pair of wider more powder oriented boards as they were a bit of work especially in cut up powder on top of bumps. But I was having too much fun to take the time to do so. Plus there were only a few situations where I really thought I could of used a wider board.

In soft bumps and fast cruisers they were outrageous! I was able to switch from old school to new school at will. On wind pack and end of day crust and scrape they railed. They danced through the trees and never really let me down not even in waist deep while skiing the Minturn Mile.

If you will also have a wider powder ski for the bigger dumps, I think the AC30 will fit the bill for everythng else.

Good luck!

Rick G
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No comments on the Fischer or the Head skis per se, but I do have a few quick comments on Rick G's post. I agree that the AC30 is truly an all mountain-all conditions ski, despite Volkl's characterization of the ski http://www.volkl.com/ski/ski_UN_ac30.php

 

No claim here to definitive insight or judgment, but just a report based in my experience. I reloaded last year from K2 ModX to the Volkl AC30 (177mm). The "technological" leap was amazing (ten years is like forever, I suppose, in ski design). Like Rick G., I find the AC30 a splendid take it anywhere board.

 

Still, after reading the many reviews of the Volkl Gotama on Epic, I decided that the K2 Big Kahunas were also ancient, and reloaded with the Goats, especially for powder days. These were also an awesome technological leap.

 

These two skis totally cover my needs -- especially conserving energy to extend the ski day -- whether a sunny day skiing bumps, where the AC30 especially shines, or a stormy day skiing powder and powder bumps, where the Goat rules.

 

Generalizing, while I know some folks love their five, ten, even fifteen year old boards, my suspicion is that most folks would find the current models simply amazing. Does a brand make a difference, as in Volkl vs. Fischer vs. Head? Possibly. But I don't have a dog in that fight. duel.gif

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Hey Man;))

Was reading around....mostly looking for Park Ski's to enjoy with my kids...oh, to be a little rubber feller again...

I have both AC3 Titanium and the AC30 Unlimited.  To be frank, if you want something that is fast and snaps you out of the turns cruising, get the AC3 Titanium (if you can find a pair)...there out there new still....on google

If you want a wider slower ski get the AC30 Unlimited.....or you can have mine....completely different from the AC3's...$900 mistake...

I've been skiing since 1970, age 5, and had Olin IIIS, IV, VII, PRE 1500 1200 and 1200sp, Rossi's STS FP ST Haute Raute etc.., K2's, Scott, Salomon, Kastle (kestle..like nestle)....The AC3's are by far the funnest ski's i've ever had.  Like two little ferrari's on your feet........ 

I ski pretty fast, and they hold edge like nothing i've ever skied.  Great in fluff...if your in the bumps, you better be jammin forward hard

or they will own you. 

The AC30's feel like a pair of pine boards...not sure how Volkl can say this is the next generation or evolution

Boots are the other thing, 50% or more is still in boots....

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Ah, SnowSnake, I'm green with envy when I see those rubber-like kids snow plowing down the fall line, crashing, and bouncing right back up. Nearing 70 years of age, this OF has...uh...cut back on the speed and the zipper line routes. Still have a blast on the slippery. And I'm envious that you can still fly down the slopes. But the AC30s suit me to a T, as it were: they'll go faster than my desire for speed in any case.

Way back when I had a pair of Volkl P30's. Rockets, they were. But that was then. This is now.

RE. manufacturer's claims: uh huh. But marketing seems to rule the world in all regards.

Just call me "Still skiing, but OlderthanDirt."

 

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Originally Posted by SnowSnakeSiggy View Post

Hey Man;))

Was reading around....mostly looking for Park Ski's to enjoy with my kids...oh, to be a little rubber feller again...

I have both AC3 Titanium and the AC30 Unlimited.  To be frank, if you want something that is fast and snaps you out of the turns cruising, get the AC3 Titanium (if you can find a pair)...there out there new still....on google

If you want a wider slower ski get the AC30 Unlimited.....or you can have mine....completely different from the AC3's...$900 mistake...

I've been skiing since 1970, age 5, and had Olin IIIS, IV, VII, PRE 1500 1200 and 1200sp, Rossi's STS FP ST Haute Raute etc.., K2's, Scott, Salomon, Kastle (kestle..like nestle)....The AC3's are by far the funnest ski's i've ever had.  Like two little ferrari's on your feet........ 

I ski pretty fast, and they hold edge like nothing i've ever skied.  Great in fluff...if your in the bumps, you better be jammin forward hard

or they will own you. 

The AC30's feel like a pair of pine boards...not sure how Volkl can say this is the next generation or evolution

Boots are the other thing, 50% or more is still in boots....


Snowsnake,

Just out of curiosity, do you have the original AC30 at 78mm underfoot or the current (and final) version introduced for the 2008-09 season that has the wide ride binding and 80mm underfoot?

Though I never skied the original version, I have read that they were stiffer and less forgiving than the improved version that I own. Now that it has been announced that the Unlimited series is being discontinued for 2011-12, deals should be popping up making a great ski a great bargain.

Good luck!

Rick G
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Hi OTD,

70, I'm envious, was thinking yesterday, "will I be here when I'm 70?"...the answer was yes, but actually gave me pause to think.  Taking care of ones self between 45 and 70...then beyond. 

Your STILL breaking ground and encouraging us!!!

Thank You Thank You

2 months ago we had a blizzard, my kids and I were horsing around on a run.  Didn't even wipe out, just fell over, a fun one, till I landed on my pole.  Didn't realize at the time, till an hour later

broke 3 ribs.  Almost all healed now, but, for the first time in life, "hey i'm not so invincible anymore"....at least it left an impression...

 

Rock On OTD:)))

 

SnowSnakeSiggy

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Hey Rick,

 

Let me to get the dimensions....brb..

 

Old AC3 Unlimited (my favorite) 104 76 110

170's

 

New AC30 Unlimited 107 80 124

177's

 

Its not that the new ones are not fun.....just not near the fun of the AC3's.   The 3's snap hard out of every turn, and really rocket. 

The new...........its like this...........a 355 spider at 120 or a Lincoln at 120......both are still going same speed.......

 

The 3's, will own you if you don't ski them hard, meaning forward and aggressive.......the 30's really don't care, just kind of .....vanilla..

 

Its really skier preference......

 

I'm definitely moving to Volkl Bridge or the Gotama.....haven't decided which yet.

 

Rock On Mang;))

 

SnowSnakeSiggy

 

 

post #11 of 16

yeah, I agree with SnowSnake.  I have the older AC30 from one season after the AC3.  I guess that makes them from the 2007 year, maybe.  Dimensions are:  118 76 104 and I have them in 170.  Even though these skiis get dogged on here a lot, I love them.  They are not my go to ski for soft snow or off trail work, but they rip firm courderoy.  Mine are 3 season old now, but in great shape.  I tuned them this weekend and they're going with me to Denver tomorrow.  I'm sure I'll find a time to ski them while I'm out west.  When I travel to resorts in the east, unless there's a huge storm brewing, these are the only pair that I take. 

post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 

thank you everyone, your tips have been a tremendous help. why would the AC30 have good deals now that its getting discontinued? wouldnt people want to snatch it up? also does anyone know any good websites for used skis? 

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by ShriceMastrFlex View Post

thank you everyone, your tips have been a tremendous help. why would the AC30 have good deals now that its getting discontinued? wouldnt people want to snatch it up? 


Basic Retail 101 - when a product is discontinued, put it on sale and move it out to generate revenue to buy the newer and better model. Plus Manufacturers will do the same, offering left over discontinued styles at a discount to the retailer who should offer them to the public at deep discount.

The AC30 did not sell this year as well as in previous seasons so there should be some excess inventory to move.

Rick G
post #14 of 16

I'm 5'-9", 145 lbs with AC30's, (78mm waist), and Armada ARV's, (92mm waist), living in Colorado.  The AC30's are 170cm and at my weight I find them to be needing good technique all the time or they will let you know.  They are OK in deep powder, good in bumps and best in groomers, but they are not nearly as much fun as my ARV's.  The ARV's are also great in groomers, best in powder and so-so in bumps.  My feeling is that the AC30's are best if you are not a thin person.

post #15 of 16

In a similar category, I love my Nordica Nitrous Ca's.  Lot's of fun, fast, tons of edge grip, but forgiving enough for the bumps.

post #16 of 16

Look ... in any case try out the any ski you are going to buy. Last year i was buying new skis and i fell in love with the AC30 "on paper" reading the reviews online. It seemed the perfect ski for me ... until i gave it a try. It was just too much hard work. The ski wouldn't do anything at slow and medium speed and no quick or short turns either. But at high speed and long curves it was the bomb. The rough terrain didn't bother it at all, i felt like a train in it's tracks. But the thing is there (at least the places i ski) is rarely that much space that i could let this skis go. At the end for me it came down to Elan Magfire 78ti and Magfire 82ti. Especially the 82 was as much fun at high speed as the AC30 but much more maneuverable at low speeds. Maybe the only terrain where i would rate the AC30 higher is hard icy snow at high speeds. All things aside - the most important lesson for me was - try before you buy and take your needs into account.

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