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Grugger, Kitzbuehel

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This is very sad. Just a little context. Here's a guy who's won four Cup races in his career who's not having a good year and is fighting for start numbers in training runs because his team is so strong.

post #2 of 10

I wonder if it has anything to do with changes made to the course.

post #3 of 10
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Dunno. I was kind of surprised they went ahead with the race today which SPOILER ALERT was won by, you know, that guy who's been winning a lot of races.

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... why? Kitz doesn't seem any more dangerous this year than any other

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I'm not sure that the changes to the course made much of a difference, given that Grugger crashed at the Mausefalle, which is at the top of the course (most of the piste changes were made after the Mausefalle).  He was flying into it, that's for sure, and was late in his setup for the drop.  The continuing rotation in the air made him lose control of trajectory, and boy, did he hit hard!  That his fall had enough force to shear the binding plate from his skis speaks volumes to the violence of the crash, and his head took a few really had knocks on the injected ice.


Let's hope he can recover - looks as bad as Dani Albrecht a couple of years ago.

post #7 of 10

It's scary how much that looks like your montage.

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I don't know if anything can be improved with helmet technology but race ski helmets just look like cheese when you take into consideration the forces that are at play in these downhill events.  Maybe I am wrong but I don't think the sanctioning bodies are doing their part to improve head protection for these guys who lay it on the line at these events.

post #9 of 10

I think the construction of most helmets, especially on the high end, are pretty good. The only way you'd really make things significantly better without an exceedingly elaborate design would be to make it thicker. For anything short of WC speed events, current helmets are probably fine. But remember, the goal is to protect the head, not make an indestructible helmet (we're not trying to stop bullets with it). A solid steel, titanium, carbon fiber, etc helmet would be a very bad idea, maybe even worse than nothing. Of course that's not saying a better helmet couldn't have helped this guy. I wonder if they have different helmets for different events. That actually could improve things slightly at their level.

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After watching the video several things come to mind. (For the record I have a backround in MotoX and Formula Car Racing as well as Ski Racing SL and GS before helmets were used.)  The Alpine helmets can be improved significantly. I own a Briko Carbon FIS helmet from the 2000's and while the protection is better than most it could be much better. I think the mfgs. have the shells covered for the most part on the DH helmets but the eps foam cores need to be dual material like most F1 and high end motorcycle helmets to manage the energy that needs to be absorbed with mutiple impacts like Grubber's crash. The DH and SG speeds are getting close to motorcycle speeds and should incorporate the same technology. I also think full face coverage should be required. Look at how much of the time Grubber is face down at high speed.


This is where I will probably get some feedback. The FIS needs to protect the athletes neck. In auto racing they have the Hans device and MotoX they have the Leatt brace. Both are designed to limit the movement of the head and neck in an impact. A design similar to the Leatt would not restrict the athlete in any way but would provide the needed protection for the neck.


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