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Standing a little too tall in course. Looking for ways to get more angulation??

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

Hey Guys

I was watching video today at a masters camp, I noticed that I tend to stand a little too tall and run a line too

close to the gate. I am a taller skier (6,2). I know I should have the skiis a little further away from the gate to help create angle.

I tend to think that by running a tight line and being taller it makes me stand too erect. That being said the simple answer would be to run a slightly wider line.  I have tried that but still stand tall which makes it hard to compress the ski.  For you race experts out there

you know this leads to slow times a beaten forearms!  So what drills/feelings can I work on to correct this??  Thanks for your help. 

John


Edited by Temple67 - 1/24/11 at 4:00pm
post #2 of 10

You don't say whether it's GS or SL.  I'm going to assume, for simplicity, GS.

 

1.  Consider, as you run practice gates, thinking about making gate contact with your inside hip.  That might cause you to angulate more, with greater upper body/lower body separation, and would get your hip on the gate with a higher ski edge angle instead of putting your feet too close to the gate with your body upright (and a lower edge angle).  It will also promote keeping weight on the outside ski and discourage simply leaning in.

 

2.  For similar reasons, all the exercises promoting counter during free skiing (no poles, touching both hands to the outside of the outside boot etc.) may be helpful, although excessive use of counter is somewhat controversial.  Your mileage may vary.

 

Lots of racer here are faster than me, but that's my 2 cents.

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply, I really like the inside hip idea! It makes for a great mental visual.  

This is for GS.

Cheers

John

post #4 of 10

I still can't understand why tall poles for gates are even used.  Look at all the gear to slam them!  I see it going to the type we see in boarding comps.  They made a new type of double pole gate where it comes apart easier when it gets hooked.  The evolution of the pole gate is why?

I can see that you might see it better over a roll, but I still say loose the pole gates.   Slap,slap, bang,pop, it stupid.

post #5 of 10

Howdy guys,

 

  My male racers seemed to have this issue last year more than ever (I suspect its probably more prevalent with men than ladies due to center of mass).  My solution was to set a GS, but cross all of the panels, so the poles made an "X".  This allowed the racers to get further "into" the gate without cracking their upper thighs on the plastic.  When we went back to a normal set, they had the right angles and simply made a distance adjustment from the gate to avoid wrapping themselves around it.

  If you are unable to set this for personal training, I suggest the Schlopy (sp?  sorry, Eric) drill while freeskiing.  It will force you into those angles and align your upper body with the snow surface when done correctly.

post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the info, what is the schlopy drill? I am always open to try new drills!

post #7 of 10

I'm having trouble finding a good picture of it, but this will sort of get the job done: http://www.mthood.com/images/mhssc/Schlopy%20drill.JPG

 

The uphill hand points upwards, the downhill hand pushes the hip into the turn, creating the angle.  As you get better at doing this, there are other places that uphill hand can be (i.e. forward, down the hill, on the uphill hip -- I've seen all different variations), but to emphasize the "pinch", pointing it upwards is the best way.

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I still can't understand why tall poles for gates are even used.  Look at all the gear to slam them!  I see it going to the type we see in boarding comps.  They made a new type of double pole gate where it comes apart easier when it gets hooked.  The evolution of the pole gate is why?

I can see that you might see it better over a roll, but I still say loose the pole gates.   Slap,slap, bang,pop, it stupid.


what in the world are you talking about?

 

The Gates are the same for everyone unless you totally bank your turns...that would suck to get around.

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

mdechristopher, thanks for the drill, I know that drill and it is something I never worked on enough. 

post #10 of 10

Temple, when doing the Schlopy:

 

- Keep your inside shoulder/arm/hand high, to produce the angulation you need.

- Drive your inside hand forward, it creates the counter you need.

- Tip your inside knee to maintain equal edge angles.

 

 

 

SchlopyDrill,Web.jpg

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