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    Is the 2011 model Sultan 85 the same ski as the 2009/10 model except for the graphics?

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    Is the 2011 model Sultan 85 the same ski as the 2009/10 model except for the graphics?


Yes. 

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   Thank you Phil, that is what I thought but ...

 

   Buzz

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I to am looking at some Sultan 85's.  Have you had a chance to try them Buzzard?  If so, what did you think?

 

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   Hey Wisco, I really like mine. It seems they are quite forgiving in the crud & don.t beat me up to badly

    Haven't had them in deeper powder yet but in a couple inches of fresh they are fun.  Can make wider turns or shorter radius

    turns.

 

    I own & like the legend 8000 & 8800 that I like as well so I stayed with the Legend Line as they are all similar to me.

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Demo'd them up at Loon in NH as well as out at Telluride. The ski carves hard and handled fairly well in 10-12" of fresh stuff at T-Ride. You had to work for it a bit in the powder and it's certainly not built to float, but it can get you through a day of powder skiing if that's what you're wondering. I'd love to hear from some people who have skied the 94......

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Demo'd them up at Loon in NH as well as out at Telluride. The ski carves hard and handled fairly well in 10-12" of fresh stuff at T-Ride. You had to work for it a bit in the powder and it's certainly not built to float, but it can get you through a day of powder skiing if that's what you're wondering. I'd love to hear from some people who have skied the 94......



Dawgcathing has a review of the 94 in the review section

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Sultan 85 is not as torsionally rigid as you might want for real ice  but for most normal man made and "packed powder" it does fine. Carves nice and has good energy. Fun ski all around the mountain. Originally I thought it skied short but now I am changing my mind. It is pretty stable for a ski with this short of radius and soft tip. Great ski for soft snow, variable and mixed conditions. Floats much better in pow than I would have expected for a 85 waisted ski. Never had any tip dive on this ski, but also never taken them out when depths were substantially deeper than 1'. I have real pow skis for those days.

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Demo'd them up at Loon in NH as well as out at Telluride. The ski carves hard and handled fairly well in 10-12" of fresh stuff at T-Ride. You had to work for it a bit in the powder and it's certainly not built to float, but it can get you through a day of powder skiing if that's what you're wondering. I'd love to hear from some people who have skied the 94......



I have the Sultan 94. I was very pleased with how well it performed on groomed runs for a ski that wide. Not a whole lot harder to turn than my Noridca Afterburners (84mm). Good grip. Performance in 12 inches of Sierra Powder and/or crud was quite good,

 

My only decision is: will the Sultan become my daily driver with the AB for hard snow days or will my AB remain my DD with the Sultan for soft snow days.

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Agree with Tromano.  The Sultan 85 leaves something to be desired on the really firm stuff; those of us who regularly ski Eastern Firm (TM) will want another dedicated "ice" ski, but the Sultan 85 will excel as long as the snow is a little bit soft.

 

It's a fun, effortless, forgiving ski that still powers through crud, holds an edge and makes clean arcs on all but the firmest snow, and is stable at speed.  I traded in my 177 Mantras for a pair of 172 Sultan 85's and have no regrets whatsoever.  Caveat: like Tromano, I haven't had the Sultans out in really deep powder.

 

 

 

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Hey Buzz,  Have you used them much here in Wisconsin?  If so, how are they on the harder snow and the shorter runs? 

 

 

Thanks

Wiscoskier

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        Skied 20 days so far this season on the 85s & haven't had any problems on ice or in any conditions.

         I trust the edge hold so you can lay em over.  The harder ya push em the better they like it.

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Ok, so I finally picked up a pair of 2010 Sultan 85's just yesterday.  New at a slope here in WI for $400.  I thought that was pretty good with the PX12 bindings.  Anyway, I think these things are going to change the way I ski.  If there is any question about their ability to grip on hard snow they were quickly removed as these things turn on a rail.  As this is my first modern moderatlely wider ski, I am probably not the best person to critique skis.  However, as an advanced intermediate skier I was used to being able to push around my older ski.  I think what I was doing was skidding a lot of my turns.  Not happening with the Sultans.  These will make me a better skier and I can't wait to get them to Aspen in March.  It was a short inaugural outing for the new skis and hope to get them back on the hill soon. 

 

Thanks for all the info,

 

Wisoskier

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$400 with px12 bindings is a smokin good deal. Cheapest I have found so far is $636 for this years top sheet with px12 fluid bindings. Waiting for closer to $550 to pull the trigger.

Does anyone know if the Sultan Fluid system is the same as the Fluid mounting system on my 09 Mythic Riders. I like the integrated binding systems, as you don't need to re-drill the ski to move the binding. Thanks

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Same mounting system as the MR's. It's also nice to be able to put multiple sets of skis in a bag and one set of bindings in a backpack when doing roadshows.

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Ok, so I finally picked up a pair of 2010 Sultan 85's just yesterday.  ...  If there is any question about their ability to grip on hard snow they were quickly removed as these things turn on a rail.



My experience yesterday: There was about an inch and a half of fresh light snow on the car in the morning.   -4 degrees F when I got to the hill.  Given the new snow, I started the day on my Sultan 85s thinking there might be enough dust on the courderoy to make them the go-to ski .  But it soon became apparent that the fresh had fallen before they groomed, so the runs were fairly hard, and since there wasn't enough fresh to tempt me off the groomers, I swapped out for my hard snow skis (Volkl Tigersharks).

 

The difference was immediately apparent - I could carve much tighter arcs with the dedicated hard snow ski and the edge grip was more solid and effortless.  The Sultans did fine - I would have had a great day skiing on them - but the Tigersharks were simply better at those conditions.  And since it's the conditions we find here about 3/4ths of the time, I don't think I choose the Sultan as my main ski.

 

This isn't meant to knock the Sultan.  It's a compromise ski and  they noticeably give up something  in the way of hard snow performance to gain soft snow performance.  What's remarkable though is how little they give up - they work well on hard snow, just not as well as something specifically designed for it.

 

 

Note that the day before it was warmer (about 30F) and we had about 3" of fresh.  The roles were reversed - either ski worked fine, but the Sultan worked better.  Different conditions, differnt tools.

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Demo'd them up at Loon in NH as well as out at Telluride. The ski carves hard and handled fairly well in 10-12" of fresh stuff at T-Ride. You had to work for it a bit in the powder and it's certainly not built to float, but it can get you through a day of powder skiing if that's what you're wondering. I'd love to hear from some people who have skied the 94......



The 85 and 94 are very similar, the main difference is the width factor. If I lived out West and wanted 1 ski, it would be the 94 over the 85. Back East, the opposite would be true.  Edge hold really isn't all that much different, with a slight edge on the 85.  The 94 is a bit slower onto edge, bit more float in crud and soft snow; the 85 a bit quicker, better in bumps, slightly better edge hold.  They both feel quick and engaged for skis of their respective widths, which is what makes them so popular, as they are both superb carvers as well as all-mountain skis. 

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