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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hi all,

 

I am looking for ski's for my son.

 

13 years old, 5'7" 150lbs, Massive feet fitted with 29.5 Lange RX 100 boots. He has been skiing since age four. He ski's with the school club at BHBW and has a "low quality" lesson once a week on these nights, ski's all runs confidently. He skis with me once a week as well. We live in Ohio and NY's Holiday Valley is our most frequent spot with Peek and Peek, and Seven Springs occasionally. The larger areas Blacks intimidate him and he sticks on the blue's but will venture down a black with me from time to time.He has no interest in the park, enjoys speed....

 

What else do you need to know to point us in the proper direction?

 

TIA

post #2 of 24

volkl ac 20 or ac 30 demo both or volkl tigershark . u can also try skigenie.com

post #3 of 24

volkl ac 20 or ac 30 demo both or volkl tigershark . u can also try skigenie.com

post #4 of 24

Tigershark for a 13 year old who primarily skis blue runs?  Absolutely not, way too stiff.  

 

AC20 or 30 are possibilities but I would also consider the Fischer Progressor 7+ or maybe the 8+ if he's improving, or the Fischer Watea 84 or Motive 84.

 

Mike
 

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volkl ac 20 or ac 30 demo both or volkl tigershark . u can also try skigenie.com

post #5 of 24

Tigershark for 150 lbs who enjoys speed.  No problem.

post #6 of 24

Tigershark for 150 lbs who enjoys speed.  No problem.

that was my thinking but what do i know

thanks ghost

post #7 of 24

I like the Idea of a progressor 7 or 8.

 

that will let him progress where as the tigershark will be park and ride at best.

post #8 of 24

Yeah, lots of 150 lb. teens who ski blue runs like to ski 35-40 mph on stiff Volklseek.gif
 

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Tigershark for 150 lbs who enjoys speed.  No problem.

post #9 of 24

I think the flex of the Rossignol Phantom series (or its model name this year) is ideal for teenagers skiing the whole mountain. Select the width that works. The ski is medium flex and damp. My son used it and it worked really well for him. Broad sweet spot, easy turning, nice sidecut dimension. If the ski is too stiff, he will be unhappy, unable to do anything with it.

post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

I think the flex of the Rossignol Phantom series (or its model name this year) is ideal for teenagers skiing the whole mountain. Select the width that works. The ski is medium flex and damp. My son used it and it worked really well for him. Broad sweet spot, easy turning, nice sidecut dimension. If the ski is too stiff, he will be unhappy, unable to do anything with it.

He's 150 lbs, skis fast on hard conditions and has been skiing for 9 frigg'n years.  It's about time to stop babying him.  If you think he can't ski a Tigershark, then it's about time he learned, and you should be asking for your money back for all those lessons he's had.


You could hedge your bet and get a tigershark with a power switch.  They are pretty easy to bend with the switch off.

post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 

This will be his first set of non-junior ski's.  I put progression as a top priority for him. Hopefully a ski he can work with know and "grow", progress with. I am hopeful not to do this again for a few years. I don't want him on a ski that he can't flex. .  When I asked him about the AC 20 he demoed he said they were "OK". Typical teenage feedback I guess. He then tried out the K2 Proton, "they suck", I asked what do you mean, he responded "they were slow and that they did not turn". I'd like to find him something that does not "suck" and that is better than "OK"...LOL something he'll be excited about...I dunno maybe thats alot to ask of a thirteen year old? He grabbed the Nordica firearrow 80 off the wall, then he saw the price and put them back, ambitous but, good kid.

post #12 of 24

skiing occasional black at the Springs, Holiday and Peek means he's prolly not ready for prime time, at least in confidence.

You got about 2 yrs to spend time with him before he won;t want to be seen with you for about 8 yrs...

I would

stay away from race models

put him on a medium and even flex model with enough width to give a nice platform, mid 70's to low 80's waist.

there are plenty of nice skis in that type.

if money is a consideration, there's always great deals - easy to find.

think twin tip - he may not be interested in 'park', but he won;t want gramp's skis either... will have plenty of cred with his crowd.

K2 Silencer - a really under-rated fine ski, will perform nice on everything, even ice. Not demanding, but will not let him down as he progresses... same type of ski exist from every ski company, pretty much...

 

then

spend the dough you save on a 5 day trip to Park City

step up to a 'big' hill, one that's not a huge jump up - Park City is expansive but has plenty of options.

guarantee it will be a trip he (and you) will never forget.

then 'repeat' until he can;t be seen with Dad anymore...

 

and when he gets to be 30, he'll still remember that awesome ski trip with dad, and will want to do it again!

there's nothing like tearin up a hill, side by side with your adult kids!   WORD!

 

Nordica Afterburner - he out skis something like that, he'll be ready to huck some big rock...

post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 

So I have a few ski's on the radar screen... in no particular order. I am looking for some comments and perhaps length suggestions. Please keep in mind he is growing like a weed...and already has 12.5 feet...if he doesn't grow into his feet I'll be sending him to clown college....wink.gif

 

  • Dynastar Sultan 80 flat
  • Dynastar Contact Cross
  • Progressor 7
  • progressor 8
  • Rossignol Strato 70 /Classic70
  • Nordica Speed Machine Mach 2
  • Nordica Hot Rod Tempest
  • Volkl AC 20
  • Volkl Tigershark 10
  • Blizzard Magnum 7.4 / 7.6

 

 

If I can find last years model in an appropriate size that is the way we will go

post #14 of 24

Volkl Tigershark 8 Foot skis w/ Marker iPT 11.0 TC bindings 2010 volklsale .com has the above in 3 sizes foe 519.99

post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 

Purely self serving bump for more commentary and length advicebeercheer.gif

post #16 of 24

So far, ridiculous suggestions.  He'll look like his butler picked out his skis.  Let him be a kid.

 

Volkl Wall or Bridge if he's good.

post #17 of 24

^^^^ Something to what he said. Given your description of his feedback, including to the Firearrow, you may need to do both of you a favor and bow to contemporary reality. Bridge would be a bit much IMO, but Walls should be around for a lot less than Firearrows, and are a nice do-all ski that can carve. Other candidates: K2 Extreme, Nordica Dead Money, Armada THall. Mainly, he may not say it, but he'll appreciate that you got him a ski he thinks is cool. 

post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
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^^^^ Something to what he said. Given your description of his feedback, including to the Firearrow, you may need to do both of you a favor and bow to contemporary reality. Bridge would be a bit much IMO, but Walls should be around for a lot less than Firearrows, and are a nice do-all ski that can carve. Other candidates: K2 Extreme, Nordica Dead Money, Armada THall. Mainly, he may not say it, but he'll appreciate that you got him a ski he thinks is cool. 


He will be on K2 extremes today, If I could find a Line Prophet or Flite , for demo I'd have him give them a shot. I simply want him on a ski appropriate for what he says he enjoys.
 

post #19 of 24

Speaking of the Lines...I have a 16 year old, 6 ft 2, 165 pounds, also with clown college feet (size 14 1/2 and hopefully not growing any more!).  He's an intermediate to advanced skier who will ski any run on the mountain with me but is still trying to get better at the tougher blacks.  I bought him his 1st pair of skis - a pair of Prophet Flites (the Flite is one of the Prophet skis - it's not a separate model) for his b'day and never even got the bindings mounted because he was put off by the twin tip, the fat midsection and apparently wasn't in love with the graphics either.  Even though the guys at the local ski shop tried their best to conviince him that these are true all mountain skis and not intended for the park but at the end of the day, the skis didn't float his boat. I mention this because it shows that not all teenagers are looking for twin tips but they definitely care about how the ski looks... a lot.

 

Good luck on the ski search! 

post #20 of 24


 

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Originally Posted by schandle View Post

Speaking of the Lines...I have a 16 year old, 6 ft 2, 165 pounds, also with clown college feet (size 14 1/2 and hopefully not growing any more!).  He's an intermediate to advanced skier who will ski any run on the mountain with me but is still trying to get better at the tougher blacks.  I bought him his 1st pair of skis - a pair of Prophet Flites (the Flite is one of the Prophet skis - it's not a separate model) for his b'day and never even got the bindings mounted because he was put off by the twin tip, the fat midsection and apparently wasn't in love with the graphics either.  Even though the guys at the local ski shop tried their best to conviince him that these are true all mountain skis and not intended for the park but at the end of the day, the skis didn't float his boat. I mention this because it shows that not all teenagers are looking for twin tips but they definitely care about how the ski looks... a lot.

 

Good luck on the ski search! 


What's that poor kid got for boots? I assume he has narrow feet as well?

post #21 of 24

You say he's timid, but likes speed - that's quite a dichotomy. 

 

I am going out on a limb - maybe he would be more secure on a competition ski - but he should really work on his technical skills, and you need to assess his skills objectively. I suggest 165cm length for him.

 

Giving a kid the equivalent of a Ford GT 40 on his feet is not something you should do lightly. If you think he's mature enough to handle the skis and not hit a tree because he's going too fast & lacks the skills to control the skis, that is your call. 

 

Otherwise... get a detuned version of a 165cm slalom ski, 14 meter radius... not as demanding technically, but still good on hardpack, and very responsive, carves well.

Best wishes.

post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bosrocker51 View Post

You say he's timid, but likes speed - that's quite a dichotomy. 

 

I am going out on a limb - maybe he would be more secure on a competition ski - but he should really work on his technical skills, and you need to assess his skills objectively. I suggest 165cm length for him.

 

Giving a kid the equivalent of a Ford GT 40 on his feet is not something you should do lightly. If you think he's mature enough to handle the skis and not hit a tree because he's going too fast & lacks the skills to control the skis, that is your call. 

 

Otherwise... get a detuned version of a 165cm slalom ski, 14 meter radius... not as demanding technically, but still good on hardpack, and very responsive, carves well.

Best wishes.



 

He was happy with the extremes, 160 length is what they had available. What I saw was "lazy skiing" he looked like he took some steps backwards in skill level, IE..no edge angles and more twisting to turn for lack of better words. SO much so that he took me out from behind on a higher speed run,  he said I was turning to much and to fast. After a nice long talk......  about down hill skiers,speed, space etc.... I am concerned. 

 

The more I think about it the more I lam leaning towards a ski for skill developement. 

 

Top of "my list" today is '10 Dynastar Contact Cross 165. Cannot demo but waht i have read sounds OK.  I am goint to have another closer look at him on the extremes Sunday and see how he handles them.

 

post #23 of 24

Hi Para, 

 

Based on what you've said about him twisting to turn, coupled with his fear of steeper pitches and this whole not turning business, I'd really suggest spending the money on a good multi-week lesson program instead. You really can't buy a turn, and lessons pay long-term dividends. And if a lesson stinks, you can always talk to guest relations about it. 

 

I ski the Dynastar Contact Cross. Good for eastern/hardpack conditions. Very easy to turn. Decent turning radius and stable at higher speed. 

post #24 of 24

Get him a pair of Fischer WC SCs.  They will make it easier for him to learn good technique by rewarding good movements. 

EDIT: and they will have enough grip on ice if kept sharp to turn him when you suddenly get in his way.

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