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I spent the day at Breck last Friday and had a blast...my fifth trip there this year. I consider myself an intermediate skiier who can ski any Blue run with no issue, and can do some Blacks...but do not do well in moguls.

 

I kept skiing by the T-Bar and there is some terrain up there that looks very tasty to me! I am not interested in skiing the bowls just yet...looks pretty steep, but the area to "skiiers left" off the T-Bar looks like something I could do. It seems to be pretty open and a few trees. I know those are labeled as black runs and not double blacks.

 

Can someone give me some feedback on those black runs? I do not want to get up there and be totally over my head.

post #2 of 26

Ptarmigan is pretty mellow especially with fresh/soft snow, the trees stay pretty open and the slope is not too steep. It runs into a blue run which takes you back to the bottom of the T-bar.

post #3 of 26

The run you see to the north of the T-bar is Pika.  It is groomed every night.  The snow can be a bit hard at the top as the wind blows it off. 

 

The farther you go to the north the more difficult the runs are.  White Crown is groomed rarely and the others never.  You can encounter wind-blown snow and different conditions on the same turn.  The top of Forget-Me-Not may look tempting but it is much steeper at the bottom. 

 

If you can ski Centennial and Double Jack on Peak 10 and the top of Duke's Run on Peak 8 you should be OK on Pika.

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The run you see to the north of the T-bar is Pika.  It is groomed every night.  The snow can be a bit hard at the top as the wind blows it off. 

 

The farther you go to the north the more difficult the runs are.  White Crown is groomed rarely and the others never.  You can encounter wind-blown snow and different conditions on the same turn.  The top of Forget-Me-Not may look tempting but it is much steeper at the bottom. 

 

If you can ski Centennial and Double Jack on Peak 10 and the top of Duke's Run on Peak 8 you should be OK on Pika.


I have never been to peak 10...hoping to on my next trip. I do enjoy skiing non-groomed runs...I have some new AC50s and they blasted through the soft ungroomed stuff last week (I am stepping up from some old Atomics Beta Carves with a 62mm waist!). I only get sketchy in the ungroomed stuff when it turns into hard bumps and moguls. Looks like these runs may be right up my alley. 

 

It is so exciting for a skiier like me to venture into new territory...

post #5 of 26

I skiied the T-Bar for a few runs a month or so ago.  There had not been new snow for a week ± and the top has hard and was softer the farther down we went.  We ski the east so hard there works all day long - heck I couldn't see my reflection.   

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It is so exciting for a skiier like me to venture into new territory... 

 It's exciting for everyone which is why we keep going. I think you might want to try a black run on peak9 off of C-chair first as they are fairly short. Work your way up to the longer ones. I wasn't aware that they groomed the ones on peak7 that could help you as blacks tend to get bumped out since most aren't usually groomed. Peak 10 has some good ones on the face of the mountain.

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Originally Posted by handhdad View Post

I skiied the T-Bar for a few runs a month or so ago.  There had not been new snow for a week ± and the top has hard and was softer the farther down we went.  We ski the east so hard there works all day long - heck I couldn't see my reflection.   


It'll be soft tomorrow (as it has been for the last three days).

 

Ptarmigan doesn't have a groomed entrance, although you can cut onto Ptarmigan from Pika at a few places. Pika can also server as an escape route from Ptarmigan. It might be the best place to start, but don't cut into it from Pika until you are just above the trees. Above the trees can be pretty wind affected.

 

Good luck, have fun!
 

post #10 of 26

Pika off the T-bar is manageable by a strong intermediate.  Not much else up there however.  Worth the ride just for the experience.  There's also some terrain off chair 6 that can be managed by a strong intermediate.  Check out the terrain as you ride up the lift.  If necessary you can bail out by taking upper 4 O'Clock back down.  I've taken my brother into Contest Bowl from chair 6 when I knew the conditions were good and he has never forgotten it. 

post #11 of 26
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Thanks for all the replies!  I do consider myself a strong intermediate so this should be a blast! Hoping to drive up VERY early Saturday morning...looks to be an epic day according to the weather forecast!

post #12 of 26
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It is so exciting for a skiier like me to venture into new territory... 

 It's exciting for everyone which is why we keep going. I think you might want to try a black run on peak9 off of C-chair first as they are fairly short. Work your way up to the longer ones. I wasn't aware that they groomed the ones on peak7 that could help you as blacks tend to get bumped out since most aren't usually groomed. Peak 10 has some good ones on the face of the mountain.



I did "Volunteer" off of the C-Chair last week and really found it not to be a big deal...not sure why it was Black? It did have some ungroomed snow on there...but I skiied it fast with no issue. I looked at doing "Shock" but it was just a bunch of steeper moguls...so I skipped that.

post #13 of 26

I think volunteer used to be a blue or blue-black not sure though. If you can do volunteer I would head over to peak10 and try some of the blacks there. when you get a little better the Burn is a good place to work on trees they are not to close to be hard but close enough to have to turn.

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I think volunteer used to be a blue or blue-black not sure though. If you can do volunteer I would head over to peak10 and try some of the blacks there. when you get a little better the Burn is a good place to work on trees they are not to close to be hard but close enough to have to turn.



yes, they changed volunteer and american from a blue black to black this year, i dont know why, theyre really not blacks. i'd also recommend Centennial and Double Jack  on peak 10 for advanced intermediates.

 

you might check with the on mountain guides for shock, that might just be some snow that has piled up into some moguls and they hadnt had a chance to clear it. its never been a mogul run in my knowledge i know they groom it on a fairly regulary basis, or you'd never get me to go down it; but it looks much worse that it is. once you drop in and make your first cut, you'll figure the pace to make it down.

post #15 of 26

All blue-black runs at Breck were changed to blacks as the rating was not used by other resorts and some people would be confused by it.  Better err on the side of caution.  Volunteer has a double fall line with which some have problems.  Most of Shock is usually groomed, leaving some bumps on the right side. 

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All blue-black runs at Breck were changed to blacks as the rating was not used by other resorts and some people would be confused by it.  Better err on the side of caution.  Volunteer has a double fall line with which some have problems.  Most of Shock is usually groomed, leaving some bumps on the right side. 



ok, but i'm skiing in protest.

 

if youre going to call shock a black, you cant call volunteer, peerless or columbia blacks. either those 3 are blues or shock is a double black and i dont think its labeled as one.

post #17 of 26

 Actually, the State of Colorado does not recognize "blue/black" as a run category.

 

Volunteer "qualifies" as a "black" because the inside corner (skier's right side) usually is allowed to bump up.

 

As Skicougar noted, Shock is allowed to bump up on the skier's right, but the whole slope will develop soft bumps on a soft snow day.  It's only groomed again overnight.  If you can ski Shock comfortably and negotiate bumps, you probably can handle White Crown and Forget Me Not.

 

Besides never opening Falcon, Chair Six and Imperial today, they closed down the T-Bar about noon.  Lots of wind.

 

post #18 of 26
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All blue-black runs at Breck were changed to blacks as the rating was not used by other resorts and some people would be confused by it. 


Winter Park still has blue-blacks. How confusing can it be? rolleyes.gif

post #19 of 26
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Volunteer "qualifies" as a "black" because the inside corner (skier's right side) usually is allowed to bump up.

 

 

 

Yeah but they let a lot of the blues on seven bump up on the side too and they aren't black?
Also I was looking at the trail statuses on the site and does anyone know where oatmeal bowl on 10 is? never heard of it before

post #20 of 26

Oatmeal and Appaloosa  Bowls are both on the South side of peak10 (not on the map). If you stay along the boundry line on Mustang you will see them.

post #21 of 26

so they are even further skiers right? How bad is the cat walk and is it worth it?

post #22 of 26

"Worth it" is in the eye of the beholder but, I don't think the cat walk is really that bad.

post #23 of 26

I guess by worth it I mean is it a lot better then mustang, dark rider ect. to warrant the extra cat walk distance

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All blue-black runs at Breck were changed to blacks as the rating was not used by other resorts and some people would be confused by it.

Funny, my wife and I are of the opinion that Loveland needs to re-grade some of their blues as blue-black.  The range of difficulty of "blue" runs is pretty large, and another grading step for upper-intermediate would be useful, IMO.
 

post #25 of 26

It's exactly the same as Mustang and Dark Rider they all meet at the same spot.

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Originally Posted by crudmeister View Post

All blue-black runs at Breck were changed to blacks as the rating was not used by other resorts and some people would be confused by it.

Funny, my wife and I are of the opinion that Loveland needs to re-grade some of their blues as blue-black.  The range of difficulty of "blue" runs is pretty large, and another grading step for upper-intermediate would be useful, IMO.
 

 

Scrub (under lift 4) at LL is the only blue that you could maybe make the argument that it should be black, but LL has been grooming the shot right down the middle to maintain its "blue" status.
 

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