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post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 

Hi,

I searched but couldn't find the answer so thought I'll start a new thread to ask -

 

Anyone can comment on their experience between the Progressor 9+ and 10+?

 

I'm looking for a Eastern on-piste ski to replace my Speedwave 10 which is too soft now that my skills are better.

 

I recently demo-ed the Contact Cross (feels too sluggish from edge to edge for me), Nordica Spitfire (feels a bit like a stiffer Speedwave but not that great in getting thru cruds & a few inch of fresh snow), and Volkl AC-30 (feels great edge to edge and can plow thru cruds & fresh snow verrrry smoothly. It likes a bit of speed but a bit too GS like for my taste).

 

I had tried the 8+ a long while back and liked them. I'll have a chance to try the 9+ so would like to hear about how it compares to the 10+. Another ski that I'd like to consider is the Volkl Tigershark 10 foot; so again appreciate any feedback / comparison.

 

thanks!

post #2 of 8

I think you would really like the 10+ vs. the 9+.  The radius is shorter .. more like the 8+, waist is a bit wider, flex is a bit softer.  I sense that Fischer was trying to have a ski to compete with the Head SS Magnum.  I demo'd these at the end of last year and was really impressed. They'll be my go-to ski to replace my aging Race SC's (RX-8 in black) as an east coast daily driver ... now I just have to wait for a sale! :)

post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the response Barry.

 

Any comment on how the carbon fibre contributes to feel? I heard they feel weird...

I suspect it would be good if they are around 8+ stiffness - I am light (125lb / 5"7') so I don't need something too beefy.

post #4 of 8

I own the 8+.  I'm about your height but a little heavier (150 lbs).  Find it to be great eastern ski - great hard snow grip, versatile, and decent in bumps.  A bit more work in crud and more than 6 inches of fresh snow, but that's not surprising.  Never skied the 9+ or 10+, but here's my take.  The 9+ is narrower and stiffer, more of an expert ski for those that like to ski fast.  The 10+ is very slightly wider than the 8+ (73mm vs 72mm waist) and seems to be a step up in performance from the 8+.  If you haven't already done so, read dawgcathing's review here:

 

 http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/99620/2011-sub-80mm-skis-from-fischer-dynastar-kastle-blizzard-head-nordica-stockli-elan

 

If I was shopping today, the 10+ would be on my short list.  But I got such a great deal on my 8+ last spring I am very happy with my choice and look forward to a couple more seasons with them.

post #5 of 8

I wouldn't rule out the 8+ either.  You should be able to find a much better deal on the 8+ than the 10+ and at your size I don't think there would be much difference in performance between the two skis.  I'm 6' 1" and 185 and was on the 8+ and loved it in just about every condition here in the east.

 

Mike
 

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Thanks for the response Barry.

 

Any comment on how the carbon fibre contributes to feel? I heard they feel weird...

I suspect it would be good if they are around 8+ stiffness - I am light (125lb / 5"7') so I don't need something too beefy.

post #6 of 8
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Originally Posted by hobieboy View Post

Hi,

I searched but couldn't find the answer so thought I'll start a new thread to ask -

 

Anyone can comment on their experience between the Progressor 9+ and 10+?

 

I'm looking for a Eastern on-piste ski to replace my Speedwave 10 which is too soft now that my skills are better.

 

I recently demo-ed the Contact Cross (feels too sluggish from edge to edge for me), Nordica Spitfire (feels a bit like a stiffer Speedwave but not that great in getting thru cruds & a few inch of fresh snow), and Volkl AC-30 (feels great edge to edge and can plow thru cruds & fresh snow verrrry smoothly. It likes a bit of speed but a bit too GS like for my taste).

 

I had tried the 8+ a long while back and liked them. I'll have a chance to try the 9+ so would like to hear about how it compares to the 10+. Another ski that I'd like to consider is the Volkl Tigershark 10 foot; so again appreciate any feedback / comparison.

 

thanks!


Hi,

 

I don't know if you saw my reviews over on the member gear reviews forum, but I assume not. Anyways, here goes (I have skied the 10+ as it is one of the 2 pure frontside skis our shop is carrying this year, and owned the 9+ in both 170 and 175cm).

 

Progressor 9+: stiffer, has metal in it, a larger turn radius. I felt it is a "race-lite" frontside ski, suitable for any hard snow surface. It rips around at speed, is damp, smooth, stable, and powerful, and is a slightly softer version of the WC RC.  Basically an on-piste ski: it does OK in bumps (a little stiff, not too bad) but really is biased toward hard snow and not too junky crud. No speed limit.

 

Progressor 10+: much softer than the 9+, no metal, but instead has a carbon laminate wood core layup.  A little tighter turn radius.  On snow feel is completely different: much lighter, livelier, snappier, and a bit more forgiving.  Softer tip, softer flex, a touch less stability, and more energy in the tail.  Beats the 9+ in bumps and softer snow: much easier to handle, with a larger sweet spot, and more forgiving tip. On pure hard snow, not quite as edgy or aggressive: 9+ probably slightly gets the nod if you are really laying them over at speed, otherwise, it is a wash. 

 

So, if you like the more forgiving and lighter nature of the 10+, then the 9+ won't really comparable.  If you are skiing pure hard snow, I think the race-derived 9+ would be slightly better; if you venture off-piste and want a true all-mountain frontside power carver with versatility, the 10+ gets the nod.

post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 

I finally had a chance to demo the Progressor 10+, and have also read Scott's review as well in addition to the great comments/review you pasted above (http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/99620/2011-sub-80mm-skis-from-fischer-dynastar-kastle-blizzard-head-nordica-stockli-elan).

 

I think I agree with most that Scott said above and found that it can pretty much take whatever I threw at it. On the day I tested it, it started with nice corduroy in the morning, few icy patches by mid day to chopped up snow in late afternoon, then ~2" of snow the next morning after snowing overnight. The greatest thing I enjoyed is that I don't even have to worry if I would get thrown around by cruds / crumps of snow like my Speedwave would, but its still very responsive edge to edge.

 

Even with my light weight (125lb), I have no problem pressuring the ski. In fact, playing with the tune.It plate is fun & I did feel difference in grip when set between (presume) softest to medium. I didn't try the stiffest as I didn't think I'll need it.

 

One "gripe" I have is "the pop" - coming out of the turn, it doesn't seem to have as much pop/bounce as my Speedwave - perhaps its because of the GS tail? So overall, it seems to give me a feeling that its a lot more damp & less energy than, say, Volkl AC-30 (ok - the AC30 can't even come close to making the type of tight radius turns).

 

I think I'm close to going for it. My daugther's coach suggested me to demo the RC4 SC so I'll see if I can try that before making a decision.

 

Would love to hear more comments...

 

thanks!

 

 

post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 

Thought I'll post a final chapter of my decision since I started the thread...

 

Conclusion first: I ended up purchasing the Fischer Worldcup SC C-Line per my daughter's race coach's recommendation :)

 

Now, the mini-review or why... I tested it on ~2-3" of fresh snow, well groomed corduroy, boiler plate eastern ice patches and late-afternoon chopped up snow, and all I can say is I didn't have problem going through any of those and it didn't require me to pay much attention / worry about being thrown around like my Elan Speedwave 10 was. The edge hold was waaaaayyyyy superior, particularly at steeper pitch or higher speed where my old ski would chatter & slip/skid down the slope.

 

This ski turns very easily and holds the edge very well. A great skill improvement tool IMHO. And it "fixes" my reservation about the Progressor 10+: energy & rebound out of the turn is now fun & you can literally "pop-out" of a turn into the next. It feels way liverlier & exciting than the Progressor and the AC-30 I tried, but  smoother than (thus more relaxing) the Nordica Spitfire without losing the feel of the snow. You can be lazy and do scarve, but it does want to be on edge. And you'll turn a lot; especially compared to the AC-30 or real/cheater GS skis. The overall feel is light & agile. I suspect the full carbon jacket helped here -  reduce the actual weight while not compromising the stiffness?

 

Another strange or interesting toy on the ski: the Tune-It plate. Based on the suggested setting, I should set it to the "softest" setting when I want to relax. But as it turned out, even for my light weight (125lb), I actually prefer the middle setting for most situations. I actually accidentally set one ski different than other (one in soft, the other in middle) and I can truly feel the difference in response time !!! So I suspect most would prefer the "stiffest" setting.

 

So, all in all, I have to say I am very happy with it after ~3 days of use so far.

 

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