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post #1 of 8
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Short version, I've just purchased a new pair of skis, unmounted, plus bindings.  I wanted to have them mounted to fit my old 1998 Solomon Perfoma boots, but have been denied.  I was told by the local shop there are indemnified and can't touch them for liability reasons.


Long version - The need to actually earn a living meant moving from my beloved western state to the Midwest.  I haven't done any skiing for about 8 years now.  Over the holidays, I took my GF out for her first ski trip and some lessons at our local hill, which we loved.  The rub is, my old skis, K2 Merlin MK-IV, got a little damp after carelessly wasting away in the garage, and the edges are completely rusted.   With a tax return burning a hole in my pocket I picked up what seems to be decent pair of newish (still wrapped) '08 Elan skis+bindings.  The plan was to have some new, and inexpensive, skis to go along with the season rentals we got for her.


Being the dork I am I told the shop to just send 'em my way, that I'll have someone local mount the bindings, all after they offered to mount them free of charge provided I gave them the BSL.  However, the local yokals here have refused, telling me that boots this old are indemnified.  Coincidentally, they are the only game in town.  Coincidentally, they showed me the 'equivalent' boots on sale at about $500.  Near as I could tell, the new generation of my exact boot are identical minus some cosmetic changes.


I've arranged to send the skis + boots to my brother so he can have them mounted, as spending $500 on boots that look and feel identical, to be used on $200 skis is just wrong in this former ski bum's opinion.


So, before I go ahead with my master plan and pack everything up for the UPS truck.  Am I crazy?  Is this unsafe, because I can't think of a reason why?

post #2 of 8

if your boots conform to DIN 7880, then, technically, that really all that's needed to make a working combo.

that said, I don;t think that there have been any boots made by major manus in th epast 30 yrs which don;t conform to DIN 7880 - but there maybe be... who knows...


indemnity - an easy out for any shop to not work on stuff they choose not to work on...


'indemnity' has usually been part of binding companies 'dealership' for binding training, sale and service, not boot.


so shops can and are arbitrary as to what they will work on. But most are reasonable as to how they make those decisions... so iff'n you;re 'good' with older equipment, then it pays to know how to deal with their technical issues, like mounting and adjusting/maintenance.


not seeing your boots, the real determination, in the real world, as to how consistently your boot and new binding combo will perform depends a whole lot on the boot sole condition.

I boot which is badly chunked and abraded  by walking (and whatever else) will prove problematic regardless of how well it comforms to DIN 7880.

Worn heels, badly roughed soles and AFD area (flat surface under ball of foot) means less than optimal performance in release and retention to the point of being 'dangerous'. Old plastics subject to a deteriorated state can also be questionable.

A good condition 12 yr old boot shouldn;t be a problem, but I don;t really know much about Salomons.


If the boots are in good shape, the boot material close to spec and the soles in clean, good condition; a good mech should have not problem mounting and adjusting your system, if they choose to do so.


A plug - the best thing any skier can do is not hike around in ski boots on rough ground, or even 'nice' ground. Abrasion happens. Ski Boots should be worn only on-snow.

Reality is, we all walk around some on hard, abrasive surfaces. For that I recommend Cat-tracks...

Like many ski things, a bit over-priced for what they are, but well worth the thing they do, which is save your boot soles.

no affiliation, no monetary return for me...

post #3 of 8

REI once refused to install the bindings (free service they advertised with the binding purchase) bought from them pointing at the somewhat worn out heel and toe pices of my used for three seasons for not more than 100 days total Dalbello Proton12s while our local independent shop's tech just shrugged and said "they're crazy, sure will do"... Go figure...



post #4 of 8

Personally I'm not that surprised the shop won't deal with them.  I had an old pair of the same boots that had sat in my basement for a number of years unridden. One day last season I had dropped off my other boots to get punched at my local shop but I still wanted to ski for the day so I thought why not just ride the old boots?  Three runs in to the day and my left boot shell literally exploded.  I had never ridden the boots more than a couple of times before since I got them for free and found them too soft so I was rather surprised that they blew up like that.


I don't know if these boots have a history of this, but skiing to the gondola on one ski sure took the fun out of my day.

post #5 of 8

Try another shop and see if they will mount the bindings before you ship them off to be mounted.  As long as the heels, toes and soles are in overall good condition and the boots aren't cracked they will be fine.



post #6 of 8

Try a different shop.  Unless the toes or heels are out of spec or the boots were recalled they should still meet DIN.  When I recently brought in my late 90's Nordica Grand Prix boots to have a set of skis mounted, they commented that I'd better find some new heel pads before I wore into the boot - because at that point they would not be allowed to mount them any more.

post #7 of 8

Give your boots a flex test and hammer test to make sure they aren't ready to fall apart, then just bring the skis and bindings sans boots to a different shop an tell them you boot-sole length.   Like Moreoutdoor said, if the boots are badly worn, they could have a good reason for not mounting them and you should get new boots.

post #8 of 8

Look on your boot on side of heel for boot sole measurement.  It should read in mm and will be something between 300 and 330.  Then go to the shop and find a new pair of boots on the shelf with same size boot sole and have them mount for that boot.


This is all assuming there is nothing wrong with your boot, that the soles are not wiorn at toe or heel and that you want to have no recourse with the shop if there is a problem.



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