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Salomon BBR 186

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Thread Starter 

 

Salomon BBR 186cm
 
Skier:
170lbs
5'11"
advanced, energetic geezer
I live in Utah, so I ski powder better than I drive
Skis I have:
177 Mantra
183 Gotama (pre rocker)
179 PM Gear Soft Bro
186 Skilogik Howetzer
178 Dynstar Sultan 85
  Preface- I went over to Alta for the DPS demo an the wrong day- Saturday, a day early- lucky cause it rained on Sunday even at the top of the Tram at Bird- and it's raining now at PC. Saturday was a terrific ski day short of powder with perfect, crunchy groomers and wind buff off piste with about five inches of new snow. Tricky to ski but fun. not much in the way of bumps.
 
 The Salomon truck was in the Alta parking lot on 1/14 with this new design- it's a vertical sidewall, wood core sandwich construction including bamboo- the Sollie rep was cagey about specifics- no metal. Traditional camber, about 300mm of  early rise from tip to contact point, 147-88-102.
I haven't skied Sollies in years, but enjoyed the X Screams and PRs as soft snow skis as long as I had a  pair of Volkls for the front side.The designer of these bizarre rocket ships is Bertrand Kraft, same guy who built those.The Sollie crew was down from Ogden and were all very stoked- here's their facebook page
 
 
My initial impression was that this was a real ski- one that likes to be driven with energy and not just rolled over. It makes short turns at the speed of thought- the huge tip engages instantly and carves any shape turn at will.  The tail is snappy and accelerates out of the turn like a  race ski. An absolute joy to fire off and pop slalom turns without ever feeling too springy- just about the perfect blend of damp stability and liveliness.
   Drawing it into long turns, it steadies out and becomes super stable. You can just stand over the inside edge and ride it like it's on a track and it goes through anything. The ski is fairly stiff through the middle and toward the front end with a slightly softer shovel (that never deflects) and a stiff tail. Pressuring the front brings instant response and control. There was no speed limit that I could find. The more I gave it, the smoother and more solid it became. I had to dial back before the ski did. It's a missile with a huge fun factor.
 
We didn't have a whole lot in the way of powder, by Alta standards, but I hiked to get in a few turns. I'll need a big day to get a full pow impression. We had 5 or six inches on top of windslab and mixed avi debris. From the few turns I got, the tail sank when I skied it centered- but when I got forward on the big shovels it planed up and carved.  They were also very happy carving short turns through what bumps we had - or just GSing any uneven snow.
 
 The powder performance is still to be determined, but I liked them so much I bought a pair to replace the Mantras as my primary frontside ski.
 
Some of you were curious about The Ski Logik Howitzers- I haven't written anything because I was disappointed in this ski. While they are a brilliant powder ski, very light and quick with a round, even flex, much like my older Soft Bros but with an updated shape and early rise rocker, they have none of the Bro's firm snow performance.  Not that that's paramount in a powder ski, but firm snow happens even on pow days, and not just in the runouts. The Uller's Chariot, judging by the  female version the Goddess, which my telechick friend has, is a much different, burlier ski that she skis in just about anything and loves.
 
 Pics:
Radical, but not crazy. Next to 183  pre rocker Goats. Made in Austria by third generation Chinese technicians. This is pair # 47 out of an American edition of 250. It will be in wide release next year, so they say.
 

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Crab with Seth Warner...
 

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competent Techs at PCMR 1/16

 

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Prototypes at Alta with no topsheet showing bamboo core 1/15

 

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Next to Skilogik Goddess

 

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post #2 of 15

Great reviews and pics. Thanks.

 

Sounds like a ski to demo for sure.

post #3 of 15

I saw a Sollie rep today at Sugar Bowl (Tahoe) who was on a pair of these. The snow was very firm today, but he said it was working really well in those conditions and he was having a great time.

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I got to try them in powder yesterday- not bottomless but about 8" over coral reef at PCMR. At first the "no ass end" tail threw me but as I skied them and found the balance and harmony with ski and snow, they smoothed out and became very good- quick in trees and effortless. After awhile the skiing felt intuitive and automatic and it was just cruising and looking for the next untracked line without thinking about the skis at all- untill I had to pivot through trees or pull a long banker and they were accurate and dependable.

 The fat tip did get bounced around a little in crud, but I find this true with all the early rise skis I've tried. Not a big deal.

 

I'd be hard pressed to say it's better in Pow than the other skis on my rack, just different- each has it's own personality- but it holds it's own.

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Those sure look wierd, would be fun to try em. Soooooo, you wanna sell your mantras? biggrin.gif
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Well, sadly- I gave them to a friend who needed 'em- after many years of faithfull service. I miss 'em. The Kendos are playful, like a spunky little sister,(at least in the 177) but don't have the power and stability of the Mantras...

 

Ps. I found the speed limit this morning. They're still a fast ski, but the Mantras get the edge, probably on ice too- it's the metal layers. It's a good rule of thumb to always keep a  sturdy pair of Volkls in the quiver. Did find some powder today, two days after the storm, and the BBR's loved it.  


Edited by Mr. Crab - 1/20/11 at 4:00pm
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Title:  Review: 2012 / Salomon /BBR

 

Product:

 

Length/size Tested: 186

 

Environment of Conditions:

*Location of review: Aspen

*Runs Taken: 7

*Snow Conditions: Firm, packed, soft bumps, trees

*Demo or Purchase: Demo

 

Summery (inc. Strengths & Weaknesses):

 

If this ski was white it would look like a giant sperm, the shape is very uhm.."organic". As I said the shape is very unique and different than any other ski on the market enough to say..what in the world will this thing ski like. Surprisingly, the BBR skis very "normal" as long as you stay in the middle of the ski. I will say this is one of the most versatile mid range skis I have skied in quite a while, it did everything I asked of it very will but had its limits when pushed hard. The BBR carved well, but lost a but of grip at high speeds (over 40). The BBR played vert nice in nice round medium bumps but was thrown around in big, nasty steep ones. The BBR was very good in 6" powder trees but I didn't get to test in in anything deeper. All of the shortcomings of the BBR were above the range of the typical skier. While I think there are some great choices out there but of the average skier with average skis needs to rely on ONE ski..for average "western" conditions, the BBR could be a fine choice. It is the GMC Envoy XUV of skis.  

 

 

 

 

 

Tester Info:

Age: 47

Height/Weight: 2'10"

Average days on snow: 0-10, 11-25, 30 (pick one)

Years Skiing: 0-5, 6-15, 15+  (pick one)

 

Aggressiveness: Conservative / Moderate / Aggressive / Competitor (pick one)

 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 

Title:  Review: 2012 / Salomon /BBR

 

Product:

 

Length/size Tested: 186

 

Environment of Conditions:

*Location of review: Aspen

*Runs Taken: 7

*Snow Conditions: Firm, packed, soft bumps, trees

*Demo or Purchase: Demo

 

Summery (inc. Strengths & Weaknesses):

 

If this ski was white it would look like a giant sperm, the shape is very uhm.."organic". As I said the shape is very unique and different than any other ski on the market enough to say..what in the world will this thing ski like. Surprisingly, the BBR skis very "normal" as long as you stay in the middle of the ski. I will say this is one of the most versatile mid range skis I have skied in quite a while, it did everything I asked of it very will but had its limits when pushed hard. The BBR carved well, but lost a but of grip at high speeds (over 40). The BBR played vert nice in nice round medium bumps but was thrown around in big, nasty steep ones. The BBR was very good in 6" powder trees but I didn't get to test in in anything deeper. All of the shortcomings of the BBR were above the range of the typical skier. While I think there are some great choices out there but of the average skier with average skis needs to rely on ONE ski..for average "western" conditions, the BBR could be a fine choice. It is the GMC Envoy XUV of skis.  

 

 

 

 

 

Tester Info:

Age: 47

Height/Weight: 2'10"

Average days on snow: 0-10, 11-25, 30 (pick one)

Years Skiing: 0-5, 6-15, 15+  (pick one)

 

Aggressiveness: Conservative / Moderate / Aggressive / Competitor (pick one)

 


 

Philpug...skiing the 186cm @ your 2'10" must have been quite a challenge....    rolleyes.gif    .  wink.gif


 What are the ski dimensions???

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 Here's a question; The no topsheet prototype I demoed was (sure seemed) smoother and more stable at higher speeds than the production model. The prototype was mounted with a heavier demo binding, but no plate. My blue ones are mounted flat with a Sollie Z-12 for light weight. How much does binding have to do with dampness/stability-? for instance- if the Marker three switch ever really worked- wouldn't the technology still be around? Also, the prototypes being individually hand made, I wonder if they may be slightly diferent- beefier-than the production models.


Edited by Mr. Crab - 1/26/11 at 4:00pm
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Product: 2011 Salomon BBR  

 

Length/size Tested: 186

 

Environment of Conditions:

*Location of review: Squaw Valley

*Runs Taken: 2 hours mostly on Silverado/Broken Arrow, mostly steep expert terrain

*Snow Conditions: 1-week old snow on top of ice, mostly hard cruddy snow with some sun-softened bumps, a few groomers in between

*Demo or Purchase:  Demo

 

Summary:

Salomon was running demos at Squaw so I jumped on the chance to test the new ski.  It does look and feel weird, this is probably what you get when a carver ski has sex with a Pontoon.   But once you get past the weirdness, you realize that the ski actually sticks to an already quite proven formula:  a rockered early tapered tip, and a straight tail; the variations are the pointy shapes of the tip and tail and a very pronounced pintail overall shape.  I was on a prototypes with no topsheet graphics. 

Skiing impressions: surprisingly normal for this shape, the tip engages quickly, but the ski does not lock into a turn like my 184 LPRs, it has a lot more vague feeling.  Carving turns on groomers is easy, but nothing spectacular.   Crud was quite good, the tips floated over chunky snow and initiated reliably.  The week point fo that ski for me was that it felt really short; on a steep hard slope I was consistently running out of edge and feeling very insecure. A few times I noticed that I almost hooked up a tip in a place where hooking a tip is fairly consequential.   I felt that the ski was best when skied at neutral stance, although it was surprisingly tolerable for backseat driving (the trait it shares with the XScream series).  I am still nursing an injury, so I didn't go really fast, but my impression is that BBR has a considerably lower speed limit than my LPRs.  

Counterpoint: When I returned the ski, my buddy who is a PSIA LII instructor hopped on it.  He is shorter and lighter than I am (his daily driver is a 177 Mantra), he is also a very clean technical skier who carves almost perfect turns in every terrain.  He mostly loved it, his main comment was that is slices through crud very well as long as you stay on the tip all the time.  He also felt a bit sketchy on the icy parts, but probably less than I did because of the size/weight difference.  

 

Who is it for:  My feeling is that intermediate skiers would love it as a one-ski quiver that would unlock the whole mountain for them.  Salomon was very clever to put all the recent "crutches" that make skiing certain types of snow easier and exaggerate them just a bit to make skiing super-easy.   An aggressive expert would likely need more ski.  If (God forbid;-) I had to live with only one pair of skis, I would maybe consider it but in longer length than 186.  It could also be a surprisingly good choice for smaller lighter experts. 

 

One line conclusion:  Sultan line has a strong competitor.  

 

Tester Info:

Age: 39 

Height/Weight: 6'. 189lb.

Average days on snow: 0-10, 11-25, 30+  (pick one)

Years Skiing: 0-5, 6-15, 15+  (pick one)

 

Aggressiveness: Conservative / Moderate / Aggressive / Competitor (pick one)

post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

 

 

Product:Review: 2012 / Salomon /BBR  Deep powder follow-up

 

Length/size Tested: 186

 

Environment of Conditions:

*Location of review: Alta

*Runs Taken: half dozen groomers, four laps of Devil's Castle,  untracked first three, crossing tracks last lap.

*Snow Conditions: corduroy, 16" untracked blower, fluff crud

*Demo or Purchase: purchase

 

Summery (inc. Strengths & Weaknesses):

 

 

Skis very well in bottomless blower- turns like a surfboard, smooth quick and easy. Huge shovel floats and carves like a thruster on a bottom turn. Changes direction on a dime, makes any turn shape at will, nice even flex and bounce in transition. Very light for hiking. Decent crud ski, especially when carved. On groomers, quick, lively and fun, a bit fluttery at highest speeds. A bit sketchy on wind scoured, icy crust, but that may be the tune.   Becoming my first choice for a soft snow ski this season, paired with the Dynastar Sultan 85 for hard snow and groomers.

 

Tester Info:

Age: 57

Height/Weight: 5'11" 170

Average days on snow: 0-10, 11-25, 30 (pick one)

Years Skiing: 0-5, 6-15, 15+  (pick one)

 

Aggressiveness: Conservative / Moderate / Aggressive / Competitor (pick one)

 

 

post #12 of 15

I skied it again today...I must say I am a bit smitten with the ski...I don't see it ever replacing my MX88's.  Conditions were firm and fast and while the ski did have limits it is a winner of a ski. I can't wait to try it in 6-12" of fresh snow...if we ever get it.  

post #13 of 15

 

...but if some krezy sollygineer were to slap D2 on it...

 

 

Tourability opinions?

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

Certainly is light. The fat shovels bump into each other a bit, but they're no fatter than many fat skis today- they just have skinny tails. I have a friend who plans to mount them tele when they bring out the smaller (girl) size.

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Coming up.....  I would like to give them a spin.. 
 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

I skied it again today...I must say I am a bit smitten with the ski...I don't see it ever replacing my MX88's.  Conditions were firm and fast and while the ski did have limits it is a winner of a ski. I can't wait to try it in 6-12" of fresh snow...if we ever get it.

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