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Back-Country Randonee. Something like Dynastar Contact 4x4, the K2 Backlash ?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

I am new to the forum and really appreciate all of the well-reasoned discussion. So thanks in advance for any feedback on my post.

 

This is probably totally lame to seek 4X4-like performance, but I want to go to one set of gear for resort and back country. 

I am an expert skier but only a little experience with back country.  Do a bit of mountain climbing so I figure I will do a Shasta decent this Spring.  A few have pointed me to the K2 Backlash but I feel like the width will make it a poor ski for ice and variable snow in tight trees.  How confused am I?  Are there any better performing skis that can still make sense for back country?  I guess I can manage some extra weight. 

 

Need news skis and like climbing so now making the move to Rondonee.... been on Atomic Betas (old and well worn now) which I have found are pretty good on crud and just OK on everything else.  I want a much better performing ski but still expect (Sierra) crud will be the majority of resort skiing.  For back country I want a solid ski on variable snow (wind pack, ice, crusty, narrow) and figure any ski that I pick will be just fine for powder. 

 

I really appreciate the feedback.  Understand the 4X4s come with alpine bindings so may be out,  but from the discussions this sounds the the ski I would buy if I was staying in bounds. 

 

Any better back-country performance than the K2 Backlash?

 

Thanks !!

 

- Doug 

post #2 of 18

Well, the trend seems to be towards fat ski for randonee, but I don't like then for spring trips such as Shasta.  They are nice when it turns to mush, but up top where it is ice and steep I go for my narrow, grippier skis. 

 

I can't recommend the one ski quiver approach.  AT bindings tend to get mediocre performance and eventually break if used for lots of hard snow skiing at a resort.

 

So, for spring trips I used some  Atomic Betas, and some Dynamics made by Atomic..  I've done enough turns on them frozen spring crud where I could die if I slipped that I'm in no hurry to go to something fatter. You can find skis like those pretty cheap, and they work.

 My Dynafit boots are pretty soft, so I use a 68mm waisted ski to ensure I can hold the edge.

 

I have some 100 mm waisted skis I use in powder.  I would only take those up Shasta if I was sure it would be soft corn all the way.

 

I wouldn't recommend the Dynastar 4X4, they weigh a ton.

 

My wife is using an Atomic Crimson----light, and pretty good grip for an 85 mm waist, they are a good compromise.

 

I don't know the K2 backlash.

 

Looking down Mt Hood from the top. Frozen solid,everyone below is on crampons, roped up.

 

 

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Here's what I use for days like that:

 

 

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post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 

NewFy,

 

This is a great response!  Thanks for the effort.

 

Of course there was no simple answer except that what you said...  I cannot do it all with one ski.

 

In looking for the most sturdy BC gear combined with Skis that I can get up the hill.  Based on yours and other feedback I think I will go Marker (Baron) bindings so that they hold-up to the abuse.

Perhaps not as "pure" as the Dynafit.

 

Sill looking at the BackLash.  Considering the Line Prophet 90.  Maybe get the 4X4s someday for lift skiing.   I'll check back once I do some more research and definitely after I put the gear to some tests.

 

- Ccouloir

 

post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 

Down to picking between Line Prophet 90 - 172 vs K2 Backlash - 174.

 

A slight weight advantage to the K2s - also set-up better for Skins. 

Seems the performance edge goes to the Prophets.

 

A lot of good reviews on the Prophet.  Any last words of wisdom?

 

Thanks!

 

- Doug

post #5 of 18

PM Gear 174/179 Carbon BRO. 

 

100 underfoot. 

 

slight tip rocker

 

1/2 carbon, 1/2 glass layup

 

Aspen core

 

Uber light

 

Handle anything from ice to fresh

 

Made in USA

 

Similar to Prophet in terms of performance, but MUCH lighter

 

Much more dependable across all conditions than backlash

 

Cheaper than either. 

 

Just my $.02, good luck with the search! 

post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 

Guess I have a little more work to do ;-)

 

Thanks for the excellent suggestion.

Lite is mite.

post #7 of 18

Depends what you are looking for.  If your focus is AT powder skis, 100 mm waist with a slight rocker is great.  I have a ski that wide and use it all winter in powder.  Unlike many AT skiers, my main season is not powder but May June and July on the Cascade volcanoes.  A fat ski with a bit of rocker, which I had not even demo'd would not be my choice for that.

 

Looks like the K2 has some rocker and is pretty fat.  You still haven't told us where you are using it other than a spring trip on Shasta.

 

I'd save money and get a more positive edging ski by picking up these, and sell the bindings on ebay.  I know they work.

 

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/08-09-Atomic-Nomad-Crimson-Ti-Skis-183cm-w-Xto412-NEW-/300509210360?pt=Skiing&hash=item45f7bea6f8 

post #8 of 18
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 

 

Thanks for the additional indecision ;-)  getting together for a trip to Mammoth next Thursday so running short on time.

 

Way too busy but this is important.  I am new to Randonee - maybe 3 times out.  I climb a bit. 

 

I ski Squaw a lot - love all of it.  Get to Snowbird when I can (alta, solitude, etc).  Take off the alpine skies and climb up.  

One reason I want to get to a very small collection of skis - perhaps 2 set-up are #1. I can ski 5-6 kinds of conditions in 1 day and a less important second, in case I fly.  Never jumped into Corbet's Couloir but that is a little bit of unfinished business since I took the name.  I really like climbing up but will plan on some training and working with a few friends to be sure I do not drown.  Ahh, occasional head-deep at aspen highlands, snowbird (even Kirkwood once but it was not steep enough) - long time ago on 200 Dynastars back in the day.  53 yo and cannot freekskin' believe it.  Would have said I was on top of my overall ability just 3 years ago - but the corporate world sucked me in for the past couple years.  

 

Need to do all the terrain but my favorite would be trees - sometimes real tight pine/fir (aspen scare me ;-)  and lots of 10-15' drops with about 2 feet of fresh. 

 

BTW my current (bit worn) skis are 177 Atomic R:EX (not betas)  that as I said,  good at everything, even pretty darn good on crud, but great at nothing, especially speed.

post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 

Oh..gotta say

 

"May June and July on the Cascade volcanoes..."

 

.. sounds real nice!!

 

I am thinking some stuff around Bishop (E.Sierras) is where I should be looking in May

post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the tip on the BROs.  They are outta stock for 3 weeks but I have them on my radar now.

post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks DoWork !!!

 

- I am going to go for the BROs - sigh unseen.  leap of faith as it were.  I like the vibe of the company and the reviews are good.

 

 

I will report back after a few days on them.

 

 

post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
The bro 178s are amazing. Just one day on them so need more time.
Put down some pretty heavy edge - seem to defy physics
. 1/2 the weight of my alpine
Gear. Thanks again DoWork.
post #14 of 18

Did you go with a pure AT binder like dynafit, or a heavier Marker Downhill/AT Ftour or baron? 

 

Post another report when you do Shasta please (or any other mixed condition ascent/descent).   Sounds like your stoked on the BROS.  Looking to do something similar.  I have dukes on alpine skis that get a bit heavy on longer skin jaunts.

post #15 of 18

the new blizzard bushwacker will have close to 4x4 levels of hard snow grip while be light enough to tour on.

post #16 of 18

I am looking at the Bros and few other skis as well for a touring set up. I just got a reply from PM Gear on the weight of a 179 Bro: 7lb 13oz for the pair. That puts them at just about the weight of the 174 Backlash, I think.

 

ccouloir, I would be interested in hearing future updates on how you like the ski and second altabrig's question about your binding choice.

 

I am leaning toward switching my current downhill ski -- a 179 High Society Freeride FR, 92mm at the waist -- to touring or using inserts to switch between touring and alpine bindings. The weight of those is around 3300g/7lbs4oz/pair.

 

BushwackerinPA -- any idea on the weight of your namesake ski? I just posted a similar request on a different thread. It sounds like a great ski and the perfect dimensions for an all-around touring set up.

 

EDIT: wasatchback just posted the answer on the other thread: http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/101637/2012-blizzard-cochise/60

 

Originally Posted by wasatchback 

I wasn't able to weigh a 180 Bushwacker as they're all out on peoples feet.  I have weights for the 173 Bushwacker as well as the 180 and 187 Bonafide

 

173 Bushwacker   7lbs .5oz  per pair  or 3189 grams

180 Bonafide        9lbs or 4108 grams

187 Bonafide        9lbs 8 oz  or 4309grams


Edited by kkashkooli - 3/8/11 at 4:03pm
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by Do Work View Post

PM Gear 174/179 Carbon BRO. 

 

100 underfoot. 

 

slight tip rocker

 

1/2 carbon, 1/2 glass layup

 

Aspen core

 

Uber light

 

Handle anything from ice to fresh

 

Made in USA

 

Similar to Prophet in terms of performance, but MUCH lighter

 

Much more dependable across all conditions than backlash

 

Cheaper than either. 

 

Just my $.02, good luck with the search! 


^^^^^ This. Then, go to this: http://bindingfreedom.com/main.sc and order a Sollyfit Plate, so that you can swap AT with Solomon alpine bindings, and the plate also will stiffen up the middle of the ski a touch for better hard snow grip. There ya go. smile.gif

 

post #18 of 18

Just saw the rest of this thread- glad to hear you went for it and love them ccouloir!  Really stoked on their new layups and shapes, welcome to the Brogram!  

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