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post #211 of 224

Weren't 3G's the GS version? Have a hunch they won't be as interesting when those nice lined up gates get offset a bit. 

post #212 of 224

Heh, Yeah, with a turn radius of 46 meters slalom gates are not the 3G's natural habitat, although it's interesting that according to this article that is tighter than Rossi's slalom race ski of the time. When I had them in the mountains as a kid they were what I used in moguls and everything, so they had to turn. When the gates got tight in the second course with the short shaped Fischerss it didn't really seem that stressful!

 

I tried the 3G's in the GS gates as well, and they were pretty undramatic, just went around.

 

post #213 of 224

I've been looking to buy a new set of skis.  I got back on skis 3 seasons ago, after being away from it for about 7.  I've been renting since forever (never could afford skis of my own back in the day).  I realized lately that I've been having less fun skiing than I used to. I haven't really been able to put my finger on it yet.   Anyway, I recently borrowed my FIL's skis, some Elan 190s from the mid-late 90's.  Holy crap. I had a blast! As in, in haven't had that much fun on skis in years -- Is it completely nuts to buy a set of older skis and mount them up with new bindings and just go have fun?

Found some seemingly decent un-mounted K2s on ebay.....

 

 

--Jason

post #214 of 224

This guy qualified for this thread in a very big way.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0gpYuJqU8I&feature=youtu.be

post #215 of 224
Gah, sorry for the Necro-post guys. I was reading a couple threads yesterday and didn't notice the date on this one -- should have posted in one of the other active threads on old-ass gear.
post #216 of 224
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Gah, sorry for the Necro-post guys. I was reading a couple threads yesterday and didn't notice the date on this one -- should have posted in one of the other active threads on old-ass gear.

Because old posts about vintage gear are outdated?

post #217 of 224
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This guy qualified for this thread in a very big way.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0gpYuJqU8I&feature=youtu.be

hard to believe this is the same guy

In case any doubts that new gear is better than old.

post #218 of 224
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Originally Posted by mechanicjay View Post

Gah, sorry for the Necro-post guys. I was reading a couple threads yesterday and didn't notice the date on this one -- should have posted in one of the other active threads on old-ass gear.


Not so very old, actually. It started in 2011; last posts were in 2015. It gets revived, I guess.

 

Back to your question, though — I assume that since you learned to ski on the old equipment, your technique suits that equipment well. Modern technique suits modern skis, and it's different. There are a zillion youtube videos showing both old and new technique. See what you think.

post #219 of 224
Don't let anyone foul you the technique has change but not as much as one would think. A little differences in timing is the primary change and this does take some time to change if you skied old school for a long time.

However, adjusting will improve both modern skiing and your old school technique as what you learn in the adjust will improve both.
post #220 of 224
^sure, but let's be realistic here. Anyone who hasn't adapted to 'shape skis' yet (it's been 20 years now) probably doesn't ski very often, if you don't ski often odds are you don't ski really well. The odds are no one is coming back to skiing with truly good old school technique. That is just how it IS. missing 20 years of skiing means you are 20 years older... Skiing is a SPORT, getting older generally has a serious negative impact on athletic performance. It is safe to assume anyone returning to skiing at this point is honestly starting over.

I don't mean to pissed in anyone's Cherios, but let's be honest with each other.
post #221 of 224
You are right let's be honest, I switched from straights to shaped Dec 27, 2011. Price was right for race skis as anything I demod couldn't match my old straights in grip and performance (other than full on race skis) I skied off and on depending on time and interests over the years. I was taught well, and constantly worked on my skills to improve on every outing. Some years 0 days, some years 10 days.

Now I ski primarily FIS GS skis and FIS SL skis and ski both to compliment each other in skill up keep and development. In speaking of these skill most skiers don't have balance or edge feel even those that ski well on new equipment. Secondly, most that appear to ski well and never learned on straight skis to ski at that level likely missed part of the skill set as shaped skis hinder that development early on. This is not say these skills aren't developed, they are just later for those that are interested, those that aren't look good until they get into a situation that requires those missing skills.

The point is if you had good skills, ski new shaped skis the same at the start. Have fun with it as they are shorter and perform similar skied that way. If you are inclined started rolling them on edge as you ski them old school you will find that they carve. Next start playing with the timing in initiation of various movements some is delayed and is advance to get the best out of the shaped ski. Overall it very similar, just more exaggerated in some move, less in others, and timed differently.

There are still some out there that ski old school on old equipment, why because they can.

In truth new equipment is easy to ski. To ski well bring the old school with you and you are ahead of the game when you adapted.
post #222 of 224

I'm taking the K2 710's up tomorrow.

 

Old school rules at least one day a year!

post #223 of 224
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

^sure, but let's be realistic here. Anyone who hasn't adapted to 'shape skis' yet (it's been 20 years now) probably doesn't ski very often, if you don't ski often odds are you don't ski really well. The odds are no one is coming back to skiing with truly good old school technique. That is just how it IS. missing 20 years of skiing means you are 20 years older... Skiing is a SPORT, getting older generally has a serious negative impact on athletic performance. It is safe to assume anyone returning to skiing at this point is honestly starting over.

I don't mean to pissed in anyone's Cherios, but let's be honest with each other.

That's probably not too far off the mark.  Never been much good, just trying to enjoy myself.  Not saying I haven't adapted, just that I had a bigger smile on my face recently when skiing some retro gear and it got me thinking.  Maybe it was nostalgia, or just my penchant for old shit :)

post #224 of 224
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I've been looking to buy a new set of skis.  I got back on skis 3 seasons ago, after being away from it for about 7.  I've been renting since forever (never could afford skis of my own back in the day).  I realized lately that I've been having less fun skiing than I used to. I haven't really been able to put my finger on it yet.   Anyway, I recently borrowed my FIL's skis, some Elan 190s from the mid-late 90's.  Holy crap. I had a blast! As in, in haven't had that much fun on skis in years -- Is it completely nuts to buy a set of older skis and mount them up with new bindings and just go have fun?

Found some seemingly decent un-mounted K2s on ebay.....

 

 

--Jason

 

 

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

^sure, but let's be realistic here. Anyone who hasn't adapted to 'shape skis' yet (it's been 20 years now) probably doesn't ski very often, if you don't ski often odds are you don't ski really well. The odds are no one is coming back to skiing with truly good old school technique. That is just how it IS. missing 20 years of skiing means you are 20 years older... Skiing is a SPORT, getting older generally has a serious negative impact on athletic performance. It is safe to assume anyone returning to skiing at this point is honestly starting over.

I don't mean to pissed in anyone's Cherios, but let's be honest with each other.

That's probably not too far off the mark.  Never been much good, just trying to enjoy myself.  Not saying I haven't adapted, just that I had a bigger smile on my face recently when skiing some retro gear and it got me thinking.  Maybe it was nostalgia, or just my penchant for old shit :)


Or maybe your comparing a modern Buick Rendevous to an old Buick Grand National.

 

My shaped Fischer RC4 WC SC are a fun capable ski that will handle speed and hold the line on a hard turn.  The typical rental....not so much.   As to the K2s..... could be ok, could be a dog,  Just like a Chevy could be a corvette or a chevette.

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