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post #211 of 250

Weren't 3G's the GS version? Have a hunch they won't be as interesting when those nice lined up gates get offset a bit. 

post #212 of 250

Heh, Yeah, with a turn radius of 46 meters slalom gates are not the 3G's natural habitat, although it's interesting that according to this article that is tighter than Rossi's slalom race ski of the time. When I had them in the mountains as a kid they were what I used in moguls and everything, so they had to turn. When the gates got tight in the second course with the short shaped Fischerss it didn't really seem that stressful!

 

I tried the 3G's in the GS gates as well, and they were pretty undramatic, just went around.

 

post #213 of 250

I've been looking to buy a new set of skis.  I got back on skis 3 seasons ago, after being away from it for about 7.  I've been renting since forever (never could afford skis of my own back in the day).  I realized lately that I've been having less fun skiing than I used to. I haven't really been able to put my finger on it yet.   Anyway, I recently borrowed my FIL's skis, some Elan 190s from the mid-late 90's.  Holy crap. I had a blast! As in, in haven't had that much fun on skis in years -- Is it completely nuts to buy a set of older skis and mount them up with new bindings and just go have fun?

Found some seemingly decent un-mounted K2s on ebay.....

 

 

--Jason

post #214 of 250

This guy qualified for this thread in a very big way.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0gpYuJqU8I&feature=youtu.be

post #215 of 250
Gah, sorry for the Necro-post guys. I was reading a couple threads yesterday and didn't notice the date on this one -- should have posted in one of the other active threads on old-ass gear.
post #216 of 250
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Gah, sorry for the Necro-post guys. I was reading a couple threads yesterday and didn't notice the date on this one -- should have posted in one of the other active threads on old-ass gear.

Because old posts about vintage gear are outdated?

post #217 of 250
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This guy qualified for this thread in a very big way.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0gpYuJqU8I&feature=youtu.be

hard to believe this is the same guy

In case any doubts that new gear is better than old.

post #218 of 250
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Gah, sorry for the Necro-post guys. I was reading a couple threads yesterday and didn't notice the date on this one -- should have posted in one of the other active threads on old-ass gear.


Not so very old, actually. It started in 2011; last posts were in 2015. It gets revived, I guess.

 

Back to your question, though — I assume that since you learned to ski on the old equipment, your technique suits that equipment well. Modern technique suits modern skis, and it's different. There are a zillion youtube videos showing both old and new technique. See what you think.

post #219 of 250
Don't let anyone foul you the technique has change but not as much as one would think. A little differences in timing is the primary change and this does take some time to change if you skied old school for a long time.

However, adjusting will improve both modern skiing and your old school technique as what you learn in the adjust will improve both.
post #220 of 250
^sure, but let's be realistic here. Anyone who hasn't adapted to 'shape skis' yet (it's been 20 years now) probably doesn't ski very often, if you don't ski often odds are you don't ski really well. The odds are no one is coming back to skiing with truly good old school technique. That is just how it IS. missing 20 years of skiing means you are 20 years older... Skiing is a SPORT, getting older generally has a serious negative impact on athletic performance. It is safe to assume anyone returning to skiing at this point is honestly starting over.

I don't mean to piss in anyone's Cherios, but let's be honest with each other.
Edited by Whiteroom - 3/28/17 at 4:29pm
post #221 of 250
You are right let's be honest, I switched from straights to shaped Dec 27, 2011. Price was right for race skis as anything I demod couldn't match my old straights in grip and performance (other than full on race skis) I skied off and on depending on time and interests over the years. I was taught well, and constantly worked on my skills to improve on every outing. Some years 0 days, some years 10 days.

Now I ski primarily FIS GS skis and FIS SL skis and ski both to compliment each other in skill up keep and development. In speaking of these skill most skiers don't have balance or edge feel even those that ski well on new equipment. Secondly, most that appear to ski well and never learned on straight skis to ski at that level likely missed part of the skill set as shaped skis hinder that development early on. This is not say these skills aren't developed, they are just later for those that are interested, those that aren't look good until they get into a situation that requires those missing skills.

The point is if you had good skills, ski new shaped skis the same at the start. Have fun with it as they are shorter and perform similar skied that way. If you are inclined started rolling them on edge as you ski them old school you will find that they carve. Next start playing with the timing in initiation of various movements some is delayed and is advance to get the best out of the shaped ski. Overall it very similar, just more exaggerated in some move, less in others, and timed differently.

There are still some out there that ski old school on old equipment, why because they can.

In truth new equipment is easy to ski. To ski well bring the old school with you and you are ahead of the game when you adapted.
post #222 of 250

I'm taking the K2 710's up tomorrow.

 

Old school rules at least one day a year!

post #223 of 250
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^sure, but let's be realistic here. Anyone who hasn't adapted to 'shape skis' yet (it's been 20 years now) probably doesn't ski very often, if you don't ski often odds are you don't ski really well. The odds are no one is coming back to skiing with truly good old school technique. That is just how it IS. missing 20 years of skiing means you are 20 years older... Skiing is a SPORT, getting older generally has a serious negative impact on athletic performance. It is safe to assume anyone returning to skiing at this point is honestly starting over.

I don't mean to pissed in anyone's Cherios, but let's be honest with each other.

That's probably not too far off the mark.  Never been much good, just trying to enjoy myself.  Not saying I haven't adapted, just that I had a bigger smile on my face recently when skiing some retro gear and it got me thinking.  Maybe it was nostalgia, or just my penchant for old shit :)

post #224 of 250
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I've been looking to buy a new set of skis.  I got back on skis 3 seasons ago, after being away from it for about 7.  I've been renting since forever (never could afford skis of my own back in the day).  I realized lately that I've been having less fun skiing than I used to. I haven't really been able to put my finger on it yet.   Anyway, I recently borrowed my FIL's skis, some Elan 190s from the mid-late 90's.  Holy crap. I had a blast! As in, in haven't had that much fun on skis in years -- Is it completely nuts to buy a set of older skis and mount them up with new bindings and just go have fun?

Found some seemingly decent un-mounted K2s on ebay.....

 

 

--Jason

 

 

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^sure, but let's be realistic here. Anyone who hasn't adapted to 'shape skis' yet (it's been 20 years now) probably doesn't ski very often, if you don't ski often odds are you don't ski really well. The odds are no one is coming back to skiing with truly good old school technique. That is just how it IS. missing 20 years of skiing means you are 20 years older... Skiing is a SPORT, getting older generally has a serious negative impact on athletic performance. It is safe to assume anyone returning to skiing at this point is honestly starting over.

I don't mean to pissed in anyone's Cherios, but let's be honest with each other.

That's probably not too far off the mark.  Never been much good, just trying to enjoy myself.  Not saying I haven't adapted, just that I had a bigger smile on my face recently when skiing some retro gear and it got me thinking.  Maybe it was nostalgia, or just my penchant for old shit :)


Or maybe your comparing a modern Buick Rendevous to an old Buick Grand National.

 

My shaped Fischer RC4 WC SC are a fun capable ski that will handle speed and hold the line on a hard turn.  The typical rental....not so much.   As to the K2s..... could be ok, could be a dog,  Just like a Chevy could be a corvette or a chevette.

post #225 of 250
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  Just like a Chevy could be a corvette or a chevette.

Or if you find yourself upside down all the time maybe you're skiing a Corvair. (You have to be old to understand the reference.)

post #226 of 250
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Or if you find yourself upside down all the time maybe you're skiing a Corvair. (You have to be old to understand the reference.)

Yeah, but while the shiny side is up, you'd look damn good!
 

post #227 of 250
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Or maybe your comparing a modern Buick Rendevous to an old Buick Grand National.

 

My shaped Fischer RC4 WC SC are a fun capable ski that will handle speed and hold the line on a hard turn.  The typical rental....not so much.   As to the K2s..... could be ok, could be a dog,  Just like a Chevy could be a corvette or a chevette.

 



That's true and something to keep in mind. Good equipment is doesn't get less good over time, despite the fact that new stuff will be better.

I commute over 1000 miles/year on my bicycles, both old steel framed bikes. Even at 40+ years old, my '74 Motobecane is just an absolute pleasure to ride while my '76 John Deere is a horrifying bone-rattling beast (though that actually makes it a great DGAF commuter bike).
post #228 of 250

I miss my Peugeot PR-10.

post #229 of 250

AND.....No ......NOS......Does not stand for Never on snow    !

post #230 of 250
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AND.....No ......NOS......Does not stand for Never on snow    !


Although it could.

post #231 of 250


​Then.........................step up boys !

 

I have a few pairs of the Strato`s  ( 102`s the 105`s and the AR`s ) .

 

I have had them for years and skied them at least a couple of times a year.

 

 

Nothing like them , never was , never will be.

 

Check my previous threads and you`ll see the pictures of my collection .

 

 

Looking to thin out the quiver.

 

Sorry ,I won`t ship , pick up in person only.

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see page 4

post #233 of 250
So...there's a pair of 1990ish K2 TNC Competitions with Marker MRR Rotomats at the local Goodwill. High gloss black (can see my reflection in them), with neon pink and yellow accents, they were either hardly used or VERY well taken care of. For less than the cost of 1 rental, can I go wrong? smile.gif
post #234 of 250
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So...there's a pair of 1990ish K2 TNC Competitions <> can I go wrong? smile.gif

If they are shorter than 200cm, yes.

post #235 of 250
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If they are shorter than 200cm, yes.

 



They are 210cm.
post #236 of 250
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If they are shorter than 200cm, yes.

 



They are 210cm.

big boy skis!

post #237 of 250
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big boy skis!

Indeed, I've never been on anything that long.... 

post #238 of 250
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Originally Posted by mechanicjay View Post

So...there's a pair of 1990ish K2 TNC Competitions with Marker MRR Rotomats at the local Goodwill. High gloss black (can see my reflection in them), with neon pink and yellow accents, they were either hardly used or VERY well taken care of. For less than the cost of 1 rental, can I go wrong? smile.gif

 

Ha!  And apparently by well taken care of, I obviously meant trashed.  It helps if you look at both sides before you get too excited.

 

 

 

 

Oops.  Oh well.

post #239 of 250
Wow, K2 910s. I had a pair of them in 1980. I was at a summer ski camp as a teenager in cervinia Italy and trained downhill on them.

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Welcome to Epic and as Rossi suggested, check out the retro memories thread, good stuff there. There are a few of us here with NOS stock...

Myself....

K2 VO Slalom
K2 GS Electra
K2 910
K2 810
K2 710
Olin Ballets..

post #240 of 250

Found last mont and home today : Fisher President , 205 cm , with Marker Rotamat

And they fit with my boots ...

Just wait , just wait ....

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