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post #1 of 8
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Hi, all.  It's time to buy my own alpine gear, and I know the first thing I need are the best boots I can afford on my modest civil-servant salary.  My question is whether, aside from probably spending more on 'expert' boots than I would on intermediate gear, is there any downside to skiing the higher-end boot?


This is probably way too much info, so skip around as you wish:


10 years ago I was advanced intermediate skier who stayed on harder blues and focused on skiing well at speed, but then injury, illness, and insane jobs kept me away from the fun.  Since last March I've gone from rank beginner to middling intermediate (amazing what thrashing about in almost every imaginable kind of weather and conditions can do).  I'll likely be an advanced intermediate by the end of the season if I can stop messing around long enough to take a couple lessons.  I'm excitable, still pretty aggressive, and want to ski better in a variety of terrain.


Wally at Alta's Deep Powder House recommended I try Rossi Electra 90s and Salomon Idol Origins to assure us (OK, me) that they're the right stuff before I commit.  On Wednesday I spent half a day on the Electras with Volkl Kenjas, which was a total trip.  The Electras fit the way Wally said they're supposed to, snug but no hot spots or arch pain and actually communicated with my boots.  After just 3 hours I was giddy even though my quads and calves were all gumby and on fire.  I'm guessing that's a good thing. 


But then I get online and find out that all this is considered 'expert' gear.  But do I need expert gear?  Do I want it in case I by chance become an expert?  And what is an expert, anyway?  Or should should I bring this up with my therapist instead of The Boot Guys?

post #2 of 8

"expert" gear = mid volume, just like "race" boots are narrow/stiff, and "beginner" boots are wide/soft


ignore the marketing, and get boots that FIT YOU.

post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 

Many thanks; that's what I was hoping to hear.  Sounds like these are the kind of boots I need.


The average Joe or Jane often wants stuff that's fancier than they'll ever need, but I see equipment as just a tool to help me have the most fun possible with my abilities and pocketbook.  I can read through the hype in climbing, boating, biking and most other outdoor sports, but I'm just not familiar enough with anything about skiing to understand what's hype and what's real and what really matters.  Thanks to the snow gods there are forums like this one. 


If only manufacturers didn't insist on putting cute girly fuzzy stuff on the top of the cuff.


"They" are predicting snow and wind tomorrow, so I think I'll head over to the Patagucci sale to look for more layers.  I've been using down but better equipment will likely keep me sweating for a while, and the lifts are going to be coooold.

post #4 of 8

I take medium in most mens patagonia :)

post #5 of 8
Thread Starter 

You'll have to put your order in earlier next time. I didn't even get over to the men's side. I bought an R2 shirt, and discovered the Micro Puff jackets. None in my size but I found some on campsaver.com for pretty much what the outlet charges.


Oh, Patagucci, how I long for the pro-deal days; now you are so expensive yet still so yummy. 

post #6 of 8
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Got the boots with all the fixins, skied them twice and I'm a happy happy girl.  Might have a thing going with my outer arch but hey, lifetime fitting is a great deal.  It's hard to stop at the shop instead of going straight to the hill, but that's all me.  Thanks all!

post #7 of 8

Time for a story, will get to the point eventually. I used to be a Professionall tennis raquet stringer. I spent time with the top pros of the 90's. One day I ahd a conversation with John McEnroe about equipment and tennis. I am an ok tennis player. Mac took me to the court and beat me in a set with a tennis sneaker instead of a raquet.


Next story. I went to Copper Mtn. in 92 on a Rossingol junquet. All the ski stars were there to help us mortals get better @ skiing. I went to a slalom clinic hosted by Alberto Tomba. He had beginner skis and I had Race equipment and kicked his ass by seconds in the course.


In conclusion, Most sports you can just be so damn talented at your sport that u could be sucessful with any equipmwent. In skiing you are LIMITED by your equipment. Always better to buy ABOVE your ability,and growing into it, rather than buy At your ability and stagnate.


Long post for a great point... Be well!

post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 

Good stories.  Skis seem more more complex than boots or tennis rackets, which seem to have a continuum of qualities--the range of variables in skis make different skis suitable for completely different conditions, abilities and styles of skiing, whereas tennis is the same game with the same rules whether you're just bunting the ball around or John McEnroe armed with either a tennis racket or a shoe.  It's just that McEnroe wins more games than we ever will and looks great doing it. 


I'm generalizing, I know, with limited experience, but that's how it feels, at least.  As a "serious recreational' skier, choosing a boot was easy because I started with a bootfitter who determined my size and identified the best boots to demo considering the shape of my foot and a very brief description of my skiing style.  With skis, which are just as expensive a proposition, I'm relying on salespeople who are experienced skiers and may or may not care or even understand my needs.  My only comfort is that the boots were a long-term investment, while it seems normal to have at least 3 pairs of skis for different kinds of skiing.

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