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Whats a stiff-carving ski that is technically considered all mountain?

post #1 of 21
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I guess what I am looking for is something like a race or a sx ski that likes to make gs turns. But I dont necessarily want a race ski, just looking for whats at the stiffer end of the all mountain category. Any suggestions?

post #2 of 21

nobody knows what "all mountain" means, but several companies refer to certain models as from the race department, but wider, or wide GS skis. Stockli comes to mind, and several companies that produce similar models.

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

ha, right, I know its a generic term. I guess what I mean by it is that you wont be totally unhappy doing something other than riding the hardpack in it. Im not trying to find a ski thats gonna work on the backside, just something I could take through bumps and trees, then race down the hardpack.

post #4 of 21

then something around mid 80s waisted with about 30 to 35 sidecut to the shovel and a minor turned up tail. Several brands make skis like that, and you'll select a stiffer model.

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I guess what I am looking for is something like a race or a sx ski that likes to make gs turns. But I dont necessarily want a race ski, just looking for whats at the stiffer end of the all mountain category. Any suggestions?



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post #6 of 21

Blizzard G-force Supersonic and Fischer Progressor 10+ are 2 "all-mountain" carvers that I really like. Both are good in bumps and tight spaces.  The 10+ is especially fun in bumps: it is pretty soft for such a good groomer ski. These are both much better than a slightly narrower, "consumer" race ski from either company for that application.

 

The Kastle MX78 is probably the one best ski for that application, but the others are very good, at 1/2 the price.

 

Also, something low to mid 80's, although not pure carvers, are still very good on hardpack and all mountain skis. Some good skis: Blizzard Magnum 8.1, Fischer Motive 84, Head Supershape i-Titan. 

 

I also 2nd the 4x4 recommendation, although it is pretty stiff in bumps for lighter skiers.

 

Here are some reviews I wrote on this subject, tested a whole lot of skis:  http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/99620/2011-sub-80mm-skis-from-fischer-dynastar-kastle-blizzard-head-nordica-stockli-elan

post #7 of 21


The MX78 is a bit on the expensive side, but a truly fine ride.
 

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The Kastle MX78 is probably the one best ski for that application, but the others are very good, at 1/2 the price.

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Originally Posted by RockSlide View Post

I guess what I am looking for is something like a race or a sx ski that likes to make gs turns. But I dont necessarily want a race ski, just looking for whats at the stiffer end of the all mountain category. Any suggestions?



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Awesome, this is exactly what I was looking for.

post #9 of 21

Your original question caught my attention as I was looking for the same type ski.

 

 I took the long route to get there, as I have bought and traded at least 6 pairs of skis over the past several years. Once I got on the Contact 4x4 I immediately sold my last three pairs of skis and ski only the Dynastar.

 

I find Dawgcatching's reviews spot on, and they definitely influenced my decision in purchasing the Contact 4x4.  I demoed the 172 and the 178.  I bought the 172:  More lively, and better at bumps and SL turns.  In the bumpsI find the skis to be very good, but I weigh 185. 

post #10 of 21

Another good option is the stockli XXL. It can do quite a lot for one pair of skis. 80mm makes it a good crud buster too.

 

Johnny

post #11 of 21

Rossi CS80 (Stratos 80) is damn stiff carving and considered as an all mountain ski. 

post #12 of 21

The stockli VXL is another option but is wider. 89mm I think.

 

 

Johnny

post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 

If I were to go for a Kastle MX78/88, would 188 be a good length.

 

I would call myself type 3 and I am about 90kg

 

height [m] -1,49 1,50-1,59 1,60-1,69 1,70-1,79 1,80-1,89 1,90+
weight [kg] 42-48 49-57 58-66 67-78 79-94 95+
III 158 158- 168 168- 178 178- 188 188 188
II - 158 158- 168 168- 178 178- 188 188
I - - 158 158-168 168-178 178

 

Their chart for the MX88 ^

 

Anyone care to expound?

post #14 of 21

based on some level of using these or similar modelsdrool.gifdrool.gifdrool.gifdrool.gifdrool.gif my five drool rating for all of them.

+ 1 Rossignol CX 80;

Dynastar Legend Pro Rider (discontinued);

Stockli Scott Schmidt Pro;

Volkl Kendo.

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Originally Posted by RockSlide View Post

If I were to go for a Kastle MX78/88, would 188 be a good length.

 

I would call myself type 3 and I am about 90kg

 

height [m] -1,49 1,50-1,59 1,60-1,69 1,70-1,79 1,80-1,89 1,90+
weight [kg] 42-48 49-57 58-66 67-78 79-94 95+
III 158 158- 168 168- 178 178- 188 188 188
II - 158 158- 168 168- 178 178- 188 188
I - - 158 158-168 168-178 178

 

Their chart for the MX88 ^

 

Anyone care to expound?


I would trust their chart, basically, if you can interpret their levels or you are clearly 7 to 9. There is also weight/strength proportion in using a chart.

 

I tend to think that the better a ski is, (and you are focused on the Kaestle for that reason) the more performance it produces at a shorter length, including stability and grip. However, I qualify that by saying that the 176 length is a very sweet ride. (I'm 160cm)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RockSlide View Post

If I were to go for a Kastle MX78/88, would 188 be a good length.

 

I would call myself type 3 and I am about 90kg

 

height [m] -1,49 1,50-1,59 1,60-1,69 1,70-1,79 1,80-1,89 1,90+
weight [kg] 42-48 49-57 58-66 67-78 79-94 95+
III 158 158- 168 168- 178 178- 188 188 188
II - 158 158- 168 168- 178 178- 188 188
I - - 158 158-168 168-178 178

 

Their chart for the MX88 ^

 

Anyone care to expound?


I would trust their chart, basically, if you can interpret their levels or you are clearly 7 to 9. There is also weight/strength proportion in using a chart.

 

I tend to think that the better a ski is, (and you are focused on the Kaestle for that reason) the more performance it produces at a shorter length, including stability and grip. However, I qualify that by saying that the 176 length is a very sweet ride. (I'm 160cm)


Whats your weight?

post #17 of 21

Rossi Avenger 82ti, CX80; Volkl AC50; Dynastar 4x4, Head peak 78.

 

post #18 of 21

Would the Nordica Firearrow types not fit in here?

post #19 of 21

Elan xTi 82

post #20 of 21

I'd have to say that the Volkl AC50 fits the bill.  I use the AC50 as my all mountain ski, and while it's lacking a bit in the girth to really be a great performer in the deep pow, it carves like a champ and is also very responsive in crud of all sorts.  It's a bit stiff in the bumps, as well.  I've not skied on the Volkl Kendo before, but I did ski on the Mantra and really did not like it's performance at high speeds on the groomed runs at all.    The Kendo is supposedly made of the same material as the Mantra, but just a bit more narrow.  Honestly, if you really like to carve I think the AC50 is the way to go for you, at least compared to the Kendo.  

post #21 of 21

Blizzard Magnum 8.7 is what you want.  I had the same criteria in mind when looking for skis last season and they tear up everything no matter what it is  They are as rock solid and stable as any "all mountain" ski out there, but it doesn't feel stiff under foot (like the AC50's do ).  I'm in Southern California like you, and no matter where I take them, they just flat out deliver.  Blizzard now offers another version of these skis with a new piston type IQ binding system.  Look into them ... you'll thank me

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