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I'm looking for new skis for my wife (this is married SOP, by the way, as the number of posts on this topic suggests).  

She's 5' 4", 120, a skier since the age of six, in it for swoopy pleasure rather than ripping up the slopes -- groomers mostly, intermediate (to advanced), Eastern (Vermont, New Hampshire) skiing.  She'd like to advance her skiing some, too, though she won't be on the slopes more than 8 or 10 days in a season (though there's always hope!).

She wants a 70/30 ski that busts crud and that gives confidence in all conditions.  I have a pair of Legend 4800s that fits this bill (114/75/102, I think, and I love them), but I'm thinking women's specific, and they have to be cheap.


Recently I ordered '08 Dynastar Legend Exclusives, 158s, from O2 Gearshop (a flat ski at $159) because I'd heard they're a lot like 4800s -- but when they arrived, they were Exclusive 8s -- a mis-pick; the Legend Exclusives were gone.  O2 was apologetic, and offered a deal ($250, $100 off) on '09 version (with bindings).  But as I was talking to the guy, he said he thought the Exclusive was really like the Legend 8000, a more aggressive ski.  Hm., I said.  He suggested a Salomon Origins Opal in a 154 or 152, at the same price, instead. 

Then he went to check on the skis.  The Salomans weren't in stock, he said, but he could order them.  He also said he'd flex-tested the Exclusives and they were less stiff than he'd thought, softer in the tip; stiffer tail; he thought they'd work for her, too.

We talked also about length -- he thought 152-158, preferring around a 155 for her, but that the 158 would be fine.

We can't do demos, and I'm trying to do the good husband thing (you know, dealing with gear), so I'd be grateful for any suggestions -- about length, these particular skis, any other skis.

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lakespapa, the ladies that I know really like the K2 ladies skis. My wife is much like yours, although isn't quite as small. She skis on 153cm LottaLuvs and LOVES them. I suspect that a 158 might be a bit long for your bride. I think you might take a look at the Lotta (even though it seems like it should be too wide, given your 70/30 split, I think it would still work well). You could also consider the slightly narrower Free Luv or True Luv.

You might also check in with Dawgcatching. He has served both me and a number of my students well with K2s and other skis. Other sponsors here may also be good options if he doesn't have your preferred skis.

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I'm looking for new skis for my wife (this is married SOP, by the way, as the number of posts on this topic suggests).  

She's 5' 4", 120, a skier since the age of six, in it for swoopy pleasure rather than ripping up the slopes -- groomers mostly, intermediate (to advanced), Eastern (Vermont, New Hampshire) skiing.  She'd like to advance her skiing some, too, though she won't be on the slopes more than 8 or 10 days in a season (though there's always hope!).

She wants a 70/30 ski that busts crud and that gives confidence in all conditions.  I have a pair of Legend 4800s that fits this bill (114/75/102, I think, and I love them), but I'm thinking women's specific, and they have to be cheap.


Recently I ordered '08 Dynastar Legend Exclusives, 158s, from O2 Gearshop (a flat ski at $159) because I'd heard they're a lot like 4800s -- but when they arrived, they were Exclusive 8s -- a mis-pick; the Legend Exclusives were gone.  O2 was apologetic, and offered a deal ($250, $100 off) on '09 version (with bindings).  But as I was talking to the guy, he said he thought the Exclusive was really like the Legend 8000, a more aggressive ski.  Hm., I said.  He suggested a Salomon Origins Opal in a 154 or 152, at the same price, instead. 

Then he went to check on the skis.  The Salomans weren't in stock, he said, but he could order them.  He also said he'd flex-tested the Exclusives and they were less stiff than he'd thought, softer in the tip; stiffer tail; he thought they'd work for her, too.

We talked also about length -- he thought 152-158, preferring around a 155 for her, but that the 158 would be fine.

We can't do demos, and I'm trying to do the good husband thing (you know, dealing with gear), so I'd be grateful for any suggestions -- about length, these particular skis, any other skis.

Thanks!



 
Welcome to the wonderful world of, too much awesome gear to choose from!

In the group of skis you're looking for there are tons of skis that will fit the bill. 
You're right about the Exclusives, but I'm not sure about the Salomon Opal.  I demo'd it and was left feeling uninspired.

If I were going to suggest a ski in that class of skis I'd suggest the Head Wild Thang( Wild One), K2 Lotta luv or Nordica Conquer.

There are some amazing choices out there for her!
You may check here to see if any of the EpicSki sponsors have some deals on something for her.
http://www.epicski.com/forum/list/76
 

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Thanks guys!  My "bride" (of 24 years) appreciates the feedback -- so do I.  I've heard good things about the Lotta Luvs -- they're out of our price range, though, I think (I spoiled her with the sub-$200 price! I think she'll spring for mid-2s, though).  Looking at the Wild Thang and the Conquer (thanks Trekchick), both seem a little hot for her (though not, I understand, for you, dear!).  Maybe a little wide, too (Eastern skiing, mostly groomers).

But, Trekchick, what was I right about the Legend Exclusives?  Too much?  Too long?  Too . . . too?  Or a good ski in the right length . . .?

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 K2 changed their sizing 2 years ago..a 153 Luv ski is the same as a 156 Luv now. For the east and for her, a Tru or One Luv would be a better choice than a Lotta, a bit narrower and much lighter with an even bigger spot than the Lotta. I would not dismiss an Elan Black Magic, a nice eastern ski too. 
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 The Exclusive legends are a good ski that has some versatility to it.  The length you're looking for in the High 150's or low 160's is about right for someone her size.  Too short will show signs of being squirrelly.

I've skied the Wild One, and I assure you, she'd enjoy it.  Its a ski that has some forgiving properties and yet is capable of killing the crud, with enough float to make it playful on the occasional east coast powder day.  I may be mistaken, but when you say" something 70/30, busts crud and gives confidence in all conditions" you may not find much in the price range you're looking at this time of year.

Don't be afraid of something in the high 70's low 80's under foot.  You'd be surprised how much she can get out of a ski in that range.  However, Philpug suggests some other skis that may fit what you have in mind, and may be in your price range 

 I'm going to a women's night at a local ski shop tonight, I'll keep an eye out for something, in the mean time, shoot philpug or one of our other sponsors a pm and see if they have something for you.....errrr, her!

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Thanks guys!  My "bride" (of 24 years) appreciates the feedback -- so do I.  I've heard good things about the Lotta Luvs -- they're out of our price range, though, I think (I spoiled her with the sub-$200 price! I think she'll spring for mid-2s, though).  Looking at the Wild Thang and the Conquer (thanks Trekchick), both seem a little hot for her (though not, I understand, for you, dear!).  Maybe a little wide, too (Eastern skiing, mostly groomers).

Thanks!
My bride (of 25 years!) enjoys the Lotta on the groomed here in Colorado, but I do understand that you might want a bit narrower for the east coast. I was surprised that Terry preferred the Lotta over the narrower Luvs, but she did. They're nice for her, too, on those rare occasions that she ventures off the groomed tentatively... 

Trek and Philpug will be better overall guides for you, having spent far more time experimenting with a broad range of gear. I just thought I'd toss in the experience that Terry and a number of the members I have helped have experienced with the K2s.

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Personally, I've never been a K2 fan, though I understand that loads of women are.I think your guy was right to suggest the Opal. I've skied it, and I think it'd be a great ski for her.

I'll also second Phil's recommendation of the Black Magic. And TC's recommendation of the Head Wild Thing (or Wild One,).  You might also want to consider the Atomic Cloud 7 or Cloud  9. Or take a look at the  Fischer line. Fischer discontinued its Vision series this year (well, actually they re-named it the Koa and changed the graphics and so on), so you might be able to get her a Fischer Breeze at a really good price. Fischers are great eastern skis.
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 Thanks -- You guys are great!

I'd take TC and SDs suggestion of Wild One (Thang) in a flash if I could find a pair cheap (meaning $250 or less -- or pie-in-the-sky).

Philpug's Tru or One Luv sounds intriguing -- I believe O2 would give me a consolation deal in my price range.  Researching these two skis, it seemed the Tru is an easier, lower-end version, while the One looked more advanced (and wider underfoot -- stabler?).  Does that sound right?  O2's only got the 160 in the One, but in the Tru, a 156.  Hm.

And TC says the Opal is ho-hum; SD thinks it's great.  Buying stuff is tough.  I appreciate the help!


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My wife, who is exactly the same size as yours, and who is the least gear-interested person you will ever meet, exclaimed over the One Luvs when she demo'ed them last winter. I was so surprised to see her wowed by a ski that I went out bought her a pair.
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 Thanks PasadenaProf (what do you teach?).

My wife's equally uninterested, I'd guess.  What length did you get her?


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 I will admit that I can be a bit over enthusiastic, and perhaps the Wild Ones(thangs) are a bit more ski than your lovely wife will want or need.

Philpug is a knowledgeable guy when it comes to finding the right ski for his customers, so he may have some of the best suggestions for you thus far.

Skier_J has the Dynstar Exclusives for sale here http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/85608/165-im78-s-160-one-luv-s-158-dynastar-exclusive-10-s#post_1120436

Length 158.  It looks like he still has them. Shoot him a PM and see if he can help.

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Thanks TC -- you're a doll!
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I'm similar size to your wife. I agree with SkiDiva. Don't like the K2s.

Skied the Legend Exclusive. It's a soft, easy ski, but felt pretty dead to me.
Loved the Nordica Conquer. I found it a bit challenging in the bumps, but it doesn't sound like that is her favorite terrain. It is rock solid on hard snow and great in crud, so it might fit the bill for east coast. There's an '08 conquer in 154 cm for 299 on ebay and a 150 wild thang for a little over 300....
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What length did you get her?
 

I got her a two-year-old pair in a 153, which someone said is like the newer 156s.  My wife is a pretty competent skier, but is not a speedster and is usually content to cruise on blues.
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There are plenty of skis that give confidence in all conditions. But I doubt any of them are less than 160cm. 
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There are plenty of skis that give confidence in all conditions. But I doubt any of them are less than 160cm. 

Just keep repeating this mantra to yourself: "I am in the 5 percent.  I am in the 5 percent."

My wife doesn't ski in all conditions.  She does not need flotation in 3 feet of fresh, nor does she rip huge Super G turns at Mach 3.  She skis, and she enjoys it, and she enjoys it more on these skis.  So be it.
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Just keep repeating this mantra to yourself: "I am in the 5 percent.  I am in the 5 percent."

My wife doesn't ski in all conditions.  She does not need flotation in 3 feet of fresh, nor does she rip huge Super G turns at Mach 3.  She skis, and she enjoys it, and she enjoys it more on these skis.  So be it.

/rollseyes

The op asked for: skis that give confidence in all conditions

Maybe its time she take off the training wheels.

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/rollseyes

The op asked for: skis that give confidence in all conditions

Maybe its time she take off the training wheels.
 

He specifically asked me what size I bought for my wife, and I contextualized my response by describing my wife's skiing so that he could make up his own mind!

Ah, the Internet, where every cretin "database admin" can find himself a little ledge from which to piss on passers-by.
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I have a pair of Legend 4800s that fits this bill (114/75/102, I think, and I love them), but I'm thinking women's specific, and they have to be cheap.

Recently I ordered '08 Dynastar Legend Exclusives, 158s, from O2 Gearshop (a flat ski at $159) because I'd heard they're a lot like 4800s -- but when they arrived, they were Exclusive 8s -- a mis-pick; the Legend Exclusives were gone.  O2 was apologetic, and offered a deal ($250, $100 off) on '09 version (with bindings).  But as I was talking to the guy, he said he thought the Exclusive was really like the Legend 8000, a more aggressive ski.  Hm., I said. 

I think you're right.  As I understand it, the 4800 is the softened version of the 8000, and the Exclusive Legend (not Excusive, not Exclusive Legend Powder) is virtually identical to the 4800. I don't think the women's version is any softer, but it may be marked with a mounting point that is further forward.

I assume that you have the 158cm 4800s?  Let me know if you want me to measure the mount point on my wife's 158cm Exclusive Legends for comparison.

That said, I'm not sure that I'd choose these for an east coast ski.  They have good, but not great, edge hold -- not a real issue in the Sierra, but on eastern ice, they may not float her boat.  You may want to repost with a title that's more likely to grab the attention of the east coast cognoscenti -- something like "East Coast Ski for Improving Intermediate Woman?"

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My wife is 5'-2" and 125 lb.- a low level 10 skier. We split about 60+ days between VT and areas out west. She has the Fast Thang (155) and find them to be fun skis, but she has to stay on top of them or will take off.
She also use a pair of Solomon Scarlet (153) for powder. Last year she traded her midrange Head Monster im78 (158) for a pair of Solomon Lady (153). She likes the shorter length for the bumps & tight trees @ Taos. She also loves them on Killington 's hardpack (ice) - finds them smooth and mellow. Now they are her go to ski for hardpack to anything less than 12".
The new skis are a blast at a shorter length. Stability at speed on hardpack is more techique related rather than simple longer ski.        
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 Thanks again for all (most) of the input!  TheDad, I have 4800 165s (I'm 5' 6", 165), and they seem fine out here, not rail-sleds, maybe, but I'm more concerned with mounds of crud late in the day at Stratton, for instance, than edge grip on ice at hypersonic speeds (I'm chicken).  I'd go for the Exclusives for her, but people (including the O2 customer service guy -- they've been great, by the way) seem to think 158s might be big for her, and that's what available.  I may reconsider, if I'm convinced she wouldn't hate me afterwards.  (!)

PasadenaProf, our wives are similar -- competent, but content with the blues.  Mine learned old-school; she's just beautiful to ski behind!  I'd hoped to get her into a ski that made easy blacks more blue for her.  Unfortunately for us, all O2 has are 160s in the One Luvs.  Bummer.  

And the O2 guys talked me out of the Tru Luv, which they have plenty of, because they're closer to a beginner ski.  So I'm close to going for the Salomon Origin Opals at 154.  Anything would be better than the (once sweet) Olin ex-rentals she's got now.


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And the O2 guys talked me out of the Tru Luv, which they have plenty of, because they're closer to a beginner ski.  So I'm close to going for the Salomon Origin Opals at 154.  Anything would be better than the (once sweet) Olin ex-rentals she's got now.

 
The thing I didn't like about the Origin Opals is that they were too quiet/damp for my tastes.  This may be a trait that she really embraces as she is a different skier than I am.
Please report back and let us know how she likes them.  It's always good to hear the results!


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There are plenty of skis that give confidence in all conditions. But I doubt any of them are less than 160cm. 




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/rollseyes

The op asked for: skis that give confidence in all conditions

Maybe its time she take off the training wheels.
 
T, that's the line I read in the beginning and why I was recommending some skis that are a bit more aggressive, like the Wild Thang(One).  After rereading and seeing what kind of terrain she skis and where she is in her "happy skiing" I concur with Pasadenaprof, and Phil.  
Everyone gains confidence by being on the right ski at the right time of his/her experience.  
One of the biggest set backs I've witnessed for many people(women and women alike) is when they are on a ski that is too aggressive for their ability at the moment, and for the conditions he/she skis on their journey.


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He specifically asked me what size I bought for my wife, and I contextualized my response by describing my wife's skiing so that he could make up his own mind!

Ah, the Internet, where every cretin "database admin" can find himself a little ledge from which to piss on passers-by.
 


You do realize that I wasn't respoinding to your post in the first place? 

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TheDad, I have 4800 165s (I'm 5' 6", 165), and they seem fine out here, not rail-sleds, maybe, but I'm more concerned with mounds of crud late in the day at Stratton, for instance, than edge grip on ice at hypersonic speeds (I'm chicken).  I'd go for the Exclusives for her, but people (including the O2 customer service guy -- they've been great, by the way) seem to think 158s might be big for her, and that's what available.  I may reconsider, if I'm convinced she wouldn't hate me afterwards.  (!)

In the west, I'd think 158s would be perfect for her.  In the east, I think I'd consider just a bit shorter.

I'd think this would be a perfect application for one of Volkl's front side women's line... except that they're probably out of your price range.  They've been holding their value exceptionally well.  Alternatives, besides Dynastar, are probably Fischer or Nordica or Head, but I'm really not familiar enough with their shorter/women's carvers to talk more intelligently than that.

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 The Dynastar that I linked in the earlier post that Skier_J has for sale is a heckuva deal and just about perfect for this application.

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T, that's the line I read in the beginning and why I was recommending some skis that are a bit more aggressive, like the Wild Thang(One).  After rereading and seeing what kind of terrain she skis and where she is in her "happy skiing" I concur with Pasadenaprof, and Phil.  
Everyone gains confidence by being on the right ski at the right time of his/her experience.  
One of the biggest set backs I've witnessed for many people(women and women alike) is when they are on a ski that is too aggressive for their ability at the moment, and for the conditions he/she skis on their journey.


 

For sure. However a person can be held back by having too little ski as well as having too much. My wife used to be really slow and timid in rough snow away from the groomed trails. Back in those days her only skis were some 152 carvers. After demoing alot of other short skis I thought to have her try some 164s. Everyone at the demo shop was like: Naaa! Those are too big and will PWN her big time. But instead she took off and her confidence really shot up. 

As far as what sort of skiing she is goign to be doing... If she really wants something for blue groomer only, the 155 might be great. But if not... going up a size or two will give a much more confident feeling in inconsitent snow. In cases where the person isn't really sure what they want or what size, I think a good answer is to test drive a variety of skis and sizes and see what works. Or as is common on epic: buy, then try and decide to keep or dump them mid seson.
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Wow, so much to answer!  And the drawbacks of asking opinions!  Shorter, longer, softer, stiffer.  Whoo boy!  But you guys are great.

Trekchick, I think you're right that a less-aggressive ski will suit my less-aggressive wife (those Exclusives of Skier-J are Exclusive 10s -- I'd been looking at Exclusive Legends).  Her thing is just to have a little low-stress pleasure on the mountain -- which for me means a ski that let her go more places with ease.  I'm getting her out of her 150 Olens, which are chipped and ancient rentals.  She deSERVES nice new skis, poor thing (she's got no hair at the moment . . . you know what I mean?).

And tromono, I, too, had thought longer for crud, etc. -- 160s were my original idea -- but the consensus seems to be going the other way, for turning ease and slower speeds.  So I'm a little baffled. Of course, when we win the lottery, I'll set her up with a demo day and then spend some money.  Until then, the buy-and-dump-mid-season plan's going to have to do.

Newfydog -- this is classic!  What, exactly, are they talking about?  Anyway, my wife has been skiing since the age of six; I've been skiing since the age of 46.  She'd be on her own, 'cept I luvs her!

Thanks, everyone, for sharing your experience!

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