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IQ TEST: IS THERE REALLY ONE PAIR OF SKIS THAT WILL DO IT ALL?

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I have lots of favorites but I can't seem to get a smaller ski rack.  I have used the old Volants for a bumper on the farm truck ...and to think I would never use 205's again.  I have tried to talk the wife into using all the "pencil" skis in the barn for a nice picket fence....I still have some that are "floaters" that I can't seem to get rid of and I thought if I pooled all the great Epic skiers, I might get to that one ski...........can't you see it?...mounted over the fireplace with colored display lights...soft music each night.

It might just be that I need help...you know mental group work...

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Nope . For a versatile ski you need to define your needs. Some are leaning better towards hardpack ,some the soft and all the other terrain options. So since there is not one ski that does everything well you have trade-offs towards it's best uses. That doesn't mean a good all purpose ski that would serve you isn't out there. You just have to define those needs and build your decision from that perspective.

What and  where are the questions to answer. What is your size and skill level ? Where do you ski regionally and terrainwise ? 

Now. about them boots ?  What about them ?  I'd start there if I were updating my equipment from days long past.

 
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Hey Garry I am old but not broken.  Ski all over the hill and like the powder days (BC interior)
probably a 30%/70% skier.  5'11" 190#. I am not easily deterred by terrain and skied patrol in St Moritz just after the first computer came out. Bought new Nordica boots  4 years back and had them fitted twice at Whistler shop...not sloppy and a good angle for my style.
Always thought k2's a bit too soft, Salomon xtra hots a bit too stiff, Rossi's bandit XXX close but no lift in the soft, We go to Sun Peaks at xmas and come home when they throw us out in April so mostly lite fresh with some glazed donut days and always a run thru the trees.  Wax regular so don't really need more speed. I am coming down..210,200,185,177 last.
Tks your help 

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It sounds to me you could use two skis. An all around ski that can venture into powder around 80 to 90 in waist and some powder boards like the new Gotama or wider with some rocker to help keep the tips up .

The Bandits are a nice ski indeed and have similar cousins available. I like the 8800 for an  all purpose ski and bought some Stockli VXL's to replace them which has a softer tip and tail for trees and bumping. The Mythic Riders replaced the 8800's and are fairly stiff though. Check out the Elans around 80 to 90mm mid . There are a couple good choices that I came close to purchasing.

Around 100 you have lots of choices. Bro softs that aren't really soft are a good everyday ski for soft snow and when it starts to set up but don't have a lot of sidecut. 
Do you want something turny ?  Then look for lots of sidecut. Maybe the Mantra is one you should look at .


 
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 By your screen name I figure you ski at Sun Peaks frequently.  Of the skis I've tried, the Elan 888 (88 under foot) might be just the one you're looking for.  In my experience at SP there is not much deep powder,  but the snow is cold and often soft when packed.  I've skied there on some pretty hard days as well.  The 888 can ski powder (not the best, but it works pretty good) and can also ski packed snow well.  They like to go fast but can be skied slow and either carved or skidded depending on need.  They have that Elan damp feel, but not at the expense of performance.  The last time I was on the Headwall it was icy in the troughs and soft on top.  They worked well and made it fun.  They can do quick turns if you insist, but if you lay back they'll want to make big arcs.

For skiing the soft stuff at Mt. Baker I have other skis, but I used the Elans about half of the time last season.

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You sound like mayhaps we share some similarities: terrain choices, size, quantity of gray hair.  I'm thinking seriously on some Icelantic Nomads in 181, they are a twin tip so a little longer is a good thing here.  With your snow at Sun Peaks and the terrain you have to play with it might work very well.  A meaningful question with this ski is whether or not you can get by the graphics.

A question from the ski usage of your opening post.  What skis do you plow with, more Volants?

Growing old is mandatory.  Growing up is optional.

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Thanks,  and length for an old guy who doesn't like squirrely and likes to get forward and work out but sit back at the end of the day and make a sandwich while cruising.......thanks again steve

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Stranger,....actually I plow with a combination of lengths of Head metals....SL's against the road and finish the top of the blade with 360's...one nice thing about the old heads is none of the chipping common to the new skis :-)

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There are two types of versatility. Versatility in terms of terrain and versatility in terms of technique. You need to decide not just where, but how you want to ski before you can pick 1 ski to do it all.
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 Sure there is, now which one ;)
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Tromano, Thanks    I am the old austrian Karl Schranz ...ankles together with nothing above the belt buckle that moves (except the poles)...no change in technique..too late in age/habit.
Terrain is where the least tracks are.....no 50ft jumps but everything else.

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IMO, a person with Karl Schranz's technique, (that is Arlberg method), would feel great on the Dynastar Mythic Rider(they have a model  above and below that in terms of strength of technique) The reason is that your skiing is based on controling your speed by releasing and smearing the tails. Dynastar makes a less sidecut shape tail. They used to call it pin-tail, but that put people off so they quit that, but compared to most other skis (AC40), the tails are not as shaped and therefore easier to slide.  

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Tromano, Thanks    I am the old austrian Karl Schranz ...ankles together with nothing above the belt buckle that moves (except the poles)...no change in technique..too late in age/habit.
Terrain is where the least tracks are.....no 50ft jumps but everything else.


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Davluri, thanks Garry Z thought well of those also, I will find a pair to try and "pintail" is much more acceptable than fat a*s

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 I have tried to talk the wife into using all the "pencil" skis in the barn for a nice picket fence....
 

 

Comprex....where are you?  Post your picture.

Now answering the OP questions.....you kidding ?  Even 30 years ago or better we had Slalom, Giant Slalom, Downhill and Freestyle skis, short skis to learn on and tele gear.

One pair? No
 
Figure out what you like to do the most of and match that with a ski that "covers the range".
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 "Could" I use one pair for everything? I am sure I could find one pair to suffice, a few come to mind...but why when I have access to a multi pair quiver. I could easily get by with 2 pair...OK...3, well no less than 4 pairs...why limit myself to 4 when 5 doesn't take up that much more space...if I have 5, why not an even half dozen...
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 "Could" I use one pair for everything? I am sure I could find one pair to suffice, a few come to mind...but why when I have access to a multi pair quiver. I could easily get by with 2 pair...OK...3, well no less than 4 pairs...why limit myself to 4 when 5 doesn't take up that much more space...if I have 5, why not an even half dozen...
+1

You can put in a screw with a dime, but a screw-driver works better.

I  skied a one-pair quiver of 208 Super Giant Slalom skis for years, everywhere from icy volkswagon moguls to groomers to steeps to deep snow.  The only reason I did was because I couldn't afford a quiver, and the more suitable skis for powder and moguls couldn't handle high speeds.  Those skis were too stiff to work well in moguls or powder and only felt alive at 50+ mph.  It's much better with the right gear.



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I have lots of favorites but I can't seem to get a smaller ski rack.  I have used the old Volants for a bumper on the farm truck ...and to think I would never use 205's again.  I have tried to talk the wife into using all the "pencil" skis in the barn for a nice picket fence....I still have some that are "floaters" that I can't seem to get rid of and I thought if I pooled all the great Epic skiers, I might get to that one ski...........can't you see it?...mounted over the fireplace with colored display lights...soft music each night.

It might just be that I need help...you know mental group work...


Welcome to Epic Ski. I don't know if you have run across the More Retro Memories thread, but I'd bet many of us enjoy seeing your 'pencil' skis.

MR
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I think there are some skis out there that will allow you to ski most conditions and most terrain very comfortably and with confidence but only if you have the skill level and the confidence level to ski everything in all conditions.

Sure, there are some skis due to their width, sidecut and core construction that ski certain terrain better than others. But a really accomplished skier can make due with one ski. Problem is, there are so many ski geeks here these days that think they need to bring three or four skis on a ski trip and change them as conditions change like they change gloves to stay warm.

I've got a mid-fat that lets me ski everything confortably. But will admit to bringing along a fat powder ski in case of a major dumping. Which by chance is also a good do everything ski.

Almost every ski manufacturer has an all mountain ski that will perform well, but the bottom line is your abilities to master it. jmho

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Uncle Louie, I know that there are different skis and different sized screwdrivers for a reason.
 I do know that a Ferrari and a pick up are needed to handle the different tasks as well.  All I am trying to do is simplify my life.....you know I ski only one place and I like all parts of the mountain and in all different types of snow....I'm just trying to find the right size of swiss army knife for most situations. 
If Ghost can do it, so can I.
***Mastersracer*** I have about 200 pair in the barn....it really would make a nice fence...and no painting needed.
"my assignment, and I accept the challenge",  is to try Elan 888's, Mythic's, Ice nomads, gotama, and stockli vxl...and maybe mantra's....by Valentines I will have a small ski rack and and a longer fence :-)

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I did it, but if I had if I had of had just a little more cash, I would have had more skis.

I hear good things about Kästle's MX88. 

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I did it, but if I had if I had of had just a little more cash, I would have had more skis.

I hear good things about Kästle's MX88. 
 
And they are all true, but it will take a LOT more cash to get them though. 

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try some demos from the shop at the bottom of the hill.   take them each on the same 3-5 runs, using different terrain, speeds, etc.

See what you like, and see if you can find one ski to do it all.   If you are going to have only one ski, talk to the store after each demo about what you liked, didn;t like, want different etc, and they can direct you to "that" ski
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try some demos from the shop at the bottom of the hill.   take them each on the same 3-5 runs, using different terrain, speeds, etc.

See what you like, and see if you can find one ski to do it all.   If you are going to have only one ski, talk to the store after each demo about what you liked, didn;t like, want different etc, and they can direct you to "that" ski
I will add...make sure they have a proper tune on them too, you are demoing the tune as much as you are demoing the ski.

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As I've said before, those skis claiming to be a one-ski quiver are great.  As long as you have all the others too.
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Yeah, those are really great skis to sell to someone else, to help fund a purchase of something new and more specialized.

Control. Freedom is control.

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Using one ski for everything is certainly possible and pleasurable, and the issue is not the equipment. You simply need the skills to do it, and the mindset that "better" equipment will not make you "ski better."  It comes down to ability and psychology, not ski choice.

I have seen the same thing with bikes. Many of my friends are going to one speeds as their only ride, after having the high end full suspension rigs, and they ride them everywhere including huge climbs.   It is just a matter of resolving yourself to what you have and finding the rhythm of your equipment and the terrain.  Once you completely quick thinking about how another ski might handle the run or conditions, you concentrate on using what you've got.
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Ghost will try a test on Kastle; had some metal ones years ago I liked.
Newfydog you have some great pictures, can't beat Kodachrome memories.
Philpug, thanks on tune thoughts; you're very right....and if sell 3 of my used skis instead of using for fencing; the single pair purchase will leave my wallet with enough for a warm brandy by the fire, thinking how bright my new epic friends are. tks

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Mudfoot, During the last iceage I worked at Mt Baker ...sking on the cheap while going to school.  A fellow employee Klaus Klix had found a pair of White stars that had leaned too close to the old lodge furnace and most of one side of one tip was burned off. I remember quite well that while everyone was riding their new sticks and adjusting to them; there was Klaus under chair #1 (which I should explain is a white painted elevator shaft) making perfect turns holding his 2 year old daughter under one arm.....both with grins of delight..and I thought "so much for having to  be at the cutting edge" 

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there was Klaus under chair #1 (which I should explain is a white painted elevator shaft) making perfect turns holding his 2 year old daughter under one arm.....both with grins of delight..
Oh, do I wish I had been there to see that!

I slide.

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Mudfoot, During the last iceage I worked at Mt Baker ...sking on the cheap while going to school.  A fellow employee Klaus Klix had found a pair of White stars that had leaned too close to the old lodge furnace and most of one side of one tip was burned off. I remember quite well that while everyone was riding their new sticks and adjusting to them; there was Klaus under chair #1 (which I should explain is a white painted elevator shaft) making perfect turns holding his 2 year old daughter under one arm.....both with grins of delight..and I thought "so much for having to  be at the cutting edge" 

As the saying goes, "It's the singer, not the song."   I remember watching one of my old patrol buddies (back in the last ice age) ski bumps on some 223 cm DH skis and turing on every one.  A lot of energy is spent by the industry, and on this forum, on the erroneous concept that you can buy a turn, but ability trumps equipment every time.
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