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Binding question for my friend

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9/30/09 at 6:18am
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I have a friend who is mounting a pair of Watea's (94) with bindings soon.
He has a size 12 foot.  I'm not sure of his BSL just yet because he has realized his boots are too big and is getting properly fitted boots this fall.
He's 230 lbs ish 
Skis a bit aggressively though not a real attacker.
Mostly Michigan Skiing with a couple short trips out west.

Soooo,
He has two sets of bindings at his disposal to mount on the Wateas 
Solly Z12, which has a din range of 4-12
Rossi AXL2 150 which has a din range of 8-15.

He usually has his din set at 8, which may change with his new BSL.
His weight suggests that the metal binding would be a good idea but his age(over 50),and his lack of finesse suggests that he is better off with the binding that will put him in the middle of the din range on the binding.

I'm inclined to suggest that he stick with the Solly Z12.
Thoughts?

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9/30/09 at 6:26am
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 He sounds like a big boy. I would say the Rossi is going to be a more laterally stiff binding for his big frame on a 94 waisted ski. Have him check his DIN to make sure he will be OK with it. 
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9/30/09 at 6:59am
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 This is said friend
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This is the divot Doug left at Loveland after he had a double ejection.  The Said, ejection was a good thing....trust me.

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For comparison in size, here is our group at loveland.
Doug is the one in white blue in front, on Terry's Cronus'
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9/30/09 at 7:11am
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 He doesn't need to be in the middle of the range. He can run right on the bottom if he wants to be on the better binding. I use Look P18s on some of my skis and I only run them at 9. They test out just fine.
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9/30/09 at 7:17am
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Either binding will be fine, I have absolutely no idea where this 'metal bindings don't break as easily' comes from. A 50 year old who doesn't ski that aggressively, skiing in Michigan isn't going to break a DIN 12 binding unless something really bad happens.
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9/30/09 at 7:27am
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Either binding will be fine, I have absolutely no idea where this 'metal bindings don't break as easily' comes from. 
20 year old Tyrolias?
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9/30/09 at 1:01pm
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Interesting choices.  Of course, being a typical bear, my answer is none of the above.  I've heard more bad than good about the durability of the Z12 and looking at some 2 year old pairs friends have I would hesitate buying them.

As for the Axial 150s, those have the old Look single piston toes which have great retention but no upward releasing.  They also are  very heavy and thats when you compare them to other Rossi/Look bindings which are heavier than the other brands. 

My advice would be for him to swap his bindings for some Look PX2 12/14s or Rossi Axial2 120/140s which have a better toe.  There's bound to be someone willing to make the trade.

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9/30/09 at 9:27pm
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HI
At 230 you are just off the line of having to move up to a upper weight limit binding. Bindings have weight limits, this is not the din range.
Look at the Marker Griffon 12, or Jester 16, with or without the Schizo. If you are skiing hard then go for the Jester 16. The Griffon 12 will do the job.
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10/1/09 at 2:56am
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Either binding will be fine, I have absolutely no idea where this 'metal bindings don't break as easily' comes from.

My 40 year old Look's think otherwise....

I've got a rather large box of not that old PLASTIC binding with the usual parts broken off them. My expectation is more that five years of service. I want 20+. If you buy all new gear ever two years (or less) it doesn't matter, but my stuff must live on.......

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10/1/09 at 3:03am
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As for the Axial 150s, those have the old Look single piston toes which have great retention but no upward releasing.  They also are  very heavy and thats when you compare them to other Rossi/Look bindings which are heavier than the other brands. 

 

Again, what is everyone's issue with "weight"? You guys sound like the carbon/titanium bike crowd..... The guy weighs 230 lbs, what's another pound for a more durable, high quality binding.

I personally do not like/want upward release at the toe....your mileage may vary.

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10/1/09 at 10:17am
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Again, what is everyone's issue with "weight"? You guys sound like the carbon/titanium bike crowd.....
 

I almost spit out my Starbuck's fat-free soymilk sugar-free hazelnut carmel decaf latte when I read this.  Are you questioning my manliness?

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10/1/09 at 11:28am
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I almost spit out my Starbuck's fat-free soymilk sugar-free hazelnut carmel decaf latte when I read this.  Are you questioning my manliness?

 

Ah!  there you have the root cause Rio .  You know that Soy destroys manliness!!
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10/1/09 at 2:57pm
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 He should ski on the Z12... and sell the 150's to me.  For $75!!  
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10/2/09 at 4:43pm
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 He should ski on the Z12... and sell the 150's to me.  For $75!!  

Actually you can have the 150's for the low low price of 180 plus shipping. 

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10/2/09 at 5:19pm
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 I'm getting mixed message, on a forum....hmmmmmmmm,.......go figure.

I have three options in front of me..(him)
Use the solly
Use the Rossi
bag both and get something different.
If different, then what,.......Jester?

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10/2/09 at 6:09pm
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Put him on some Markers to get some thrills back into his skiing.

"I'm quite certain that I don't need some pre madonna telling me how everyone's foot is different." Greggor.

"Anywhere else is a waist of time." Skier232.

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 The problem with the Z12 is that the heel mount/track is kind of marginal for someone in that weight range. I actually think it is a fine binding -- it just has its limits in that specific regard.

The Marker Royals all seem solid. An STH 12 or 14 would do fine. Probably anything else philosophically similar would be fine as well.
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 My z12s have held up fine under 3 seasons of skiing, but no question, the heel track construction is a tad delicate compared to other bindings out there.

I'd recommend the z12 if light weight was the priority, and the skier has finesse.  If durability in the hands of a big, gorilla-esque skier is the priority, definitely go with something else.
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