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75% of your ski days are powder in the trees??? Wow, you are either very selective or very lucky...
Well OK.....................if that's the deal then this is a case where a ski with some rocker could well qualify for everyday use. Having said that, the only ski that is rockered on your list is the '10 Gotama and for my tastes, it's my least fave of this group. Still for
75% POWDER IN THE TREES I might reconsider b/c it is very nice in soft snow. Of the others, the Shogun has marketing rocker only but is a very good ski and is my favorite of this group. The P-100 has no rocker and is very good too, esp in longer sizes. The Sethed is among my favorite K2's.
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I the "powder" I'm describing is slightly choppy but
still always light and a ton of fun which we have all year (3 chairlift ski hill with all nice snow and there is never ski lift lines).
I can't help you with ski suggestions but I sure would like to know the name of that ski resort.
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The Shogun is the best choice for all mountain use. It takes a good imagination to see any rocker in the Shogun. But it is stiffer than I expected and looks good for every day use. It shows quite a bit of camber = pretty good hard snow ski.
The Gotama is a pretty good allrounder, but has some actual rocker, as a result I expect the pow performance to be slightly better than the Shogun. I thought it worked great in spring conditions. The 186 is a nice length. Edge hold is respectably. The tip is actualyy an elongated early rise tip. It looks like a DH ski on the snow. Close to a continuous curve rocker shape. Fun and easy to ski in variable conditions.
Neither the Got or Shogun is a deep snow ski imho.
I thought the ObSethed was squirrely and have not been on the Prophet 100.
If you really need something dedicated to Powder in trees you should demo the Armada JJ. It feels like surfing on an agile longboard. It just makes it easy and fun.
Edited by Gotama - 9/22/09 at 8:34pm
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Ummm I'll give you some hints: North of Boise ID, Starts with a B, and sounds like Breckenridge (kinda).
If you don't figure it out just let me know
(this isn't paradise (but close to it
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Edit: It's not Bogus
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Looks like a Brundage to me.
Very cool area and some great snow.
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I have a pair of 182 Shoguns in my hands..
Base to base I see some good camber and no tip rocker or early rise. Fully weighted on the snow they may decamber a bit, otherwise very subtle (no discernable) rocker, tip or tail.
My 186 Gotamas have a noticeable reverse camber with early rise tip.
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I have the new Shogun. There was no OLD shogun. 2010 Salomon Shogun. Looks good, stiff, plenty of camber, and 101 under foot.
The 2010 Gotama I have skied about 10 days last spring.
If you put them ( Gotamas) base to base there is only a small contact point around boot center. Volk Katanas are flat camber wise, the 2010 Gotama definetly has more reverse camber in the design. Shogun has visible positive camber, very different from the 2010 Gotama.
If you put the Shogun base to base the contact points are traditional tip and tail spots. Not a rocker or continuous cure or reverse camber design.
On the snow the tip of the Got is not touching on hardpack. Low rise tip appears like a downhill ski. Very low, but rising up from just in front of the bindings.
My first days out on the Gots my ski buddies were afraid I might "spear" into any built up bumps or moguls due to the low tips, but they are very compliant and seem to "snake" over most 3-d features.
Variable spring conditions = Gotama's playground.
I have not skied the Shoguns yet, but in my mind it seems like a substitute for a Mantra or LP vs a dedicated soft snow ski.
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My prior observation needs further discussion:
"If you put the Shogun base to base the contact points are traditional tip and tail spots. Not a rocker or continuous cure or reverse camber design."
To Clarify the Shogun rocker deal I found:
If you put the Shoguns base to base and squeeze the cambered center together a noticeable bit of rocker splays at the tip and tail. It does not take much pressure to make this happen.
Very interesting.
Could this be the best of both designs in one ski?
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Could this be the best of both designs in one ski?
Probably not. The reason that I call the Shogun layout "marketing dept rocker" is that it has no discernible effect except in the brochure. The Shogun feels very similar to the conventional P-100 both in and out of the soft snow. Naturally, there is a difference in the flex with the Prophet being somewhat softer and hence slightly less powerful in broken and mixte salad conditions. Both skis are very good and both just feel "normal"
OTH, the Sidestash, Hardside, Czar, type of skis feel notably more floaty than either the Shogun or the Prophet in the mixed up stuff. However, when you get out of the goo, the forward portion of the ski feels rather disconnected.
Pick your poison but remember the give and take and don't expect a magic bullet that does both things.
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