Marker Schizo bindings -- Opinons?

This binding looks really cool, but I wonder about its durability and usefulness in the "real world"

Any opinions out there on the Schizo vs the ordinary Griffon?

In the "real world" you ski Look/Rossi/Dynastar bindings.....not Markers

IF you had only one pair of skis (?). Twin tips and wanted to do it all with them, park, frontside and some powder, MAYBE these would have some merit.

yeah, it's not like anyone ever posts questions like:

"where should I mount my Gotama for powder, switch skiing/ park playing and all mountain carving?"

nope, never seen that asked even once.

 I think for any kind of fun shape ski where there is any question of what is the right mounting point, they are a no-brainer.

The price on all the Marker Royal family is WAY too high, the Schizo in particular. I'd grab me an Atomic RACE 614 or 412 and do the same damn thing for under $150....but that's just me

 fixed it for you.

Marker invented the whole concept of "pre-release".....If the Atomic's share this problem (they haven't for me), at least they do it for a lot less money....

have you skied a jester/ griffon and had a pre-release?






...yeah, that's what I thought.

By the way, Cost of a Griffon?  MSRP is $295/ MAP is $229
                  Cost of a PX12 ?   MSRP is $250/ MAP is $219


A WHOPPING $10 savings.

WR...my only modern Markers only exist because of the hostage situation with Blizzard. I really like their skis. I want METAL in my bindings! I expect them to be fully functional 15 years from now.

I was comparing the $495 MSRP of the Schizo to the $119 ebay RACE412's not the Look's. But I'm not buying either so I was just presenting another option to the fore/aft binding (no tool needed for Atomic either)
If I buy new it will be at the 60% off side of the season.

I haven't had any pre-release issues since my Marker Duplex/Rotamat FD days. Boy was I a happy man when the M-4 toe came out. Then I discovered Look's and there was no "looking" back after that!

It sounds like a good improvement. For certain types of skis like a fat new school skis, that might be a really worth wile innovation for some people to switch form powder to park setting. Obviously its not a new idea, but more options are good. 

Atomic bindings, no tool necessary...

www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09077.html


Hmmmm... i wonder why they are cheap on fleaBay ???




Edited by Whiteroom - 9/6/09 at 12:40pm

WR..nice plug for Atomic's full strength effort to fix a very small occurrence issue. I just brought in a pair of '02 heels for this very recall. The RACE 412's that are being sold on ebay for $119 are '05/'06 which is three years after the recall bindings.

It's starting to sound like you are a guy looking to sell a bunch of very pricey Marker product this coming season...

 The Shizno looks like it is a 10th grade shop class project. Personally I don't need it. past that, I like the Royal family series from Marker, I get the performance of a metal housed race binding with much less weight. 

 I don't think Atomic's bindings or Tyrolia railflex for that matter are remotely comparable in terms of range of adjustment.

epic....the Schizo is +/- 30mm. Atomic Race 1018 are +/- 15mm.

marker sure is taking a beating on this thread,I have not had a problem with marker bindings, i had them on my K2 5500's and on my flat mounted recons. I have skied look and tyrolia problem free, so knock on wood!!

Of course one could also get the new Blizzi "Slider" which allows one the option of mounting any alpine binding (including tele or AT) onto your new Blizzards. It allows 7 cm of fore/aft adjustment, is simple and clean, the plate is included in the price of the ski, and you are not stuck with the ridiculous amount of lift on the G&J unless that's what you want.

Too easy.......

SJ 

Can I get that on a pair of S7s?

I have a great Answer for that.

SJ

 They need to come up with an Answer for making my Dukes obsolete. I'm pretty pissed that they changed the track width on their IQ system. Blizzard can bite me.

I will pass along your well founded complaint but biting you would just add insult to injury, 

Your Dukes aren't obsolete at all. They will still fit the ski you bought them with and also any '09 Blizzi ski, so you could buy up a fleet of '09 skis and still fulfill your dream.

As far as retaining the old track width instead of making a general improvement goes............wellllll I s'pose a very few think it sucks but I'm quite happy with it. I'd also s'pose that there are more folks with my attitude about it than with yours.

I just ordered my Atlas with a slider so's I can put a real Look turntable on it......

SJ


Edited by SierraJim - 9/8/09 at 2:37pm

If you are interested in trying different binding placement on a pair of skis then the Schitzo is an excellent choice. It offers 6cm of fore/ aft adjustment that will take you from 'true center mount' to 'powder skiing' on the same pair of skis. The Griffon can't do that... is that something you want or need? That's up to you to decide.


That is how you answer a fairly straight forward question.

Take F'king notes, there will be a test later.

Thank you WR!  This is the (obvious) benefit of the Schizo -- any opinion on the durability?

I see absolutely no reason why the durability would be any different than a regular Griffon, the addition of a front 'track' does add a tiny bit more movement (there is a toe 1/2 track on all last years bindings anyway)... but so what? It's not like Marker won't be around if there is a warranty issue (and I do not see that being an issue).

I bought a pair of Volkl Mantra's this season and had the Schizo fitted to make the most of all conditions.

I skied them for a week in France before Christmas and thought the idea was excellent.  You really notice the difference even with small movements up and down the ski.

Unfortuantely:

On my last day one binding broke away. The connecting cable jumped out of i's fixing and released my boot straight away. Not so good when you're half way up a mountain off piste.  Thanks to my trusty Leatherman I managed to adjust the heal to get me down before having to take the whole thing apart in -15 deg C.

It turns out  there's to much of a gap between the rear binding and it's slider plate meaning the cable can work loose.

I emailed Marker explaining they have a potential big problem on their hands and 2 weeks on haven't heard a word!

I wouldn't recommend these bindings until they have this issue sorted.

I was seriously considering the Schizo so this is disheartening.  So I contacted Marker on their website, and this is what I got:

"I just checked out that thread.  I am not sure who that person emailed, but it wasn't this email.   I have not heard of any issues with the Schizo.  The warranty on our bindings is 3 years from date of purchase so they would definitely be covered."

Maybe you need to try contacting them again in another way.  The three year warranty seems pretty decent, but, of course, they didn't actually comment on the possibility of a design flaw (probably hard to do not having seen your bindings, and I can't imagine any company would just ante up in any case)....

 Not saying that this post is incorrect, but I haven't heard anything about the Schizo failing. There seem to be a fair number of Schizos out there and if this problem was common, then you would expect to hear more about it. 

I suspect that the shop owners, like SierraJim, would have the best info.

My husband and I have Schizos, on Flyswatters and S3s, respectively.  No issues so far, knock wood.  It is fun to be able to move the binding back and forth.  The only issue is that they are far less forgiving of any snow on the bottom of your boot, and take quite a bit of force to step in, compared to the Solly Z-12 for instance. 

 That is a known issue with the Royal line, especially if you have a shorter BSL. I know I have brought it up to my Marker connections numerous times and they ARE aware of it. When I am working on my skis I dread putting my dummy boot in a Jester especially with ti set on 11 (yeah, they go to 11), with the significant amount of forward pressure required in the heel along with the current cam design I have had that heel slap me more than once. Now I just turn the DIN way down when I am tuning. A small price to pay but I still shouldn't have to.