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Did Vonn SIGN with Head?

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I heard that she was testing but never saw any news that she had actually inked a deal.... I saw an update on skiracing that there's another Lindsey site created by vail resorts and, there she is, in Head boots. http://www.lindseyisepic.com/

Head sure is stroking the big checks to speedsters lately.  Should be an interesting season. 
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I don't think the deal is done yet, but she is clearly putting out signals. She's got to get on the speed skis in Chile, and do some serious controlled testing there to find out exactly how they run. That's critical. At least that's my read on the situation from what I hear. It was widely reported that ALL Rossi athletes had their base earnings reduced this upcoming year by 50%. I had thought that they might not do that to the WC champ. Evidently, they did...perhaps not the full 50%, but still likely hundreds of thousands of dollars. These athletes have limited earnings years, and that's important. There are a lot of good skis, good techs, etc. out there. Often when an athlete contemplates a change, and tests, they find a number of companies with skis that they like. Obviously Head will tweak any design for LV, and press skis by the dozens until they find what works. It think they also have a good war chest of money. Also think Rossi would be nuts to let her go. I'd cut some of the army of other skiers they have, and change those deals first. I'm surprised that Ligety isn't thinking about a change, either. He seemed to have made a change to Rossi from Volkl with a fat contract in hand. We shall see.

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 From Facebook a minute ago:


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Hey guys I just wanted to let you know that I have officially switched to Head skis! I am so excited about this new relationship and I can't wait to start the season. We were finally able to ski today here in Chile and tomorrow we will start training in gates. I'll keep you posted :) xoxo lindsey


Looks like it's official.

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I saw a story, perhaps in the Italian press, that Massimiliano Blardone switched to Atomic because Dynastar wanted to renegotiate (down) his contract. Since Dynastar and Rossi are essentially the same company (at least I think they still are), and since word on the street is that both are struggling, perhaps this marks a step away from sponsorship for Rossi.

 

I wonder, too, whether Head may have some deals coming off its books? Is Bode signed and sealed for this year? Cuche? Herminator?

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From what I have heard, Rossi/Dynastar cut the base salary part of all athlete contacts by as much as 50%. Those contracts vary by skier, of course, and are full of results-based incentives, but still nobody likes that news. Head has a lot of athletes. I don't know the size of their ski business as compared to Rossi/Dynastar in terms of overall revenue. But Prickly raises a good point. Head now has the top three women: Vonn, Reisch, and Paerson. On the mens's side: Bode, Maier, Buchel. Cuche, Schonfelder. And many more of each gender. Guess that Head must have the cash, and feel that it's a wise investment. Those athletes alone must total at least $5MM in cash, let alone the other support. Interesting to see.

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It's not all that much of money, which goes to athletes ($5-6mio is probably quite close to number they give for all mentioned athletes). Main "problem" are ski pools and memberships. These things cost the most... much more then one or two athletes. I doubt it's much different in US, but even if it is, US ski team is still not biggest player in this anyway. Over here, manufacturer must pay quite some money to be in pool on first place, not to mention sponsoring (even if just with equipment) of lower categories athletes. Once you are in pool, you can have WC skier skiing on your skis. As I said, I have no idea how it's in US, but around here, Head for example, has to pay some money to Austrian or Swiss ski team, it has to sponsor some younger skiers, and only then they can even start negotiating with Maier or Cuche. So these "side" expenses cost much more then particular contract with some of top skiers.
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Yes she has signed with Head Skis through the 2014 season including the next two Olympics.
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Yep, Holimonter posted it a couple of days ago.  Interesting points by Primoz. I would love to know what the fee is to be a USST pool sponsor, as a ski company. I don't think that it's as steep as with the European powers, nor are the expectations as high in terms of what they need to deliver. Head joined the USST pool last year, or two years ago? I think the only USST skiers on the skis were Bode and Lalive. Maybe one other. I don't think that the USST expects any equipment deals beyond the support for the skiers in the team system skiing on their skis. It's not like, in this country, if you are in the pool, you need to make product and deals available throughout the country at the junior levels. At least that has never been my understanding. I think it's more like paying the fee to get the endorsement and some residual press from the skis....and to ensure in terms of the contractual deal that the company provides what's expected. And the USST adds the fee to the revenue side of their books.

If anybody knows the details, I'd be very interested. I have always heard, for example, that Stockli isn't part of more national pools because it doesn't work financially. Too expensive.  Now, then again, they don't make a ton of skis, despite making great ones. So they are in the Swiss pool, maybe one other small European country's, but that's it.
 
A lot of big names under contract with Head.
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Hmm... Holimonter is on Rossi, I wonder what's goig to happen to HIS sponsorship dollars!?!?

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See, I was way "A-HEAD" of the curve!!!!   Afterall,  when Bode heard A-man was on Head he had to switch!

But still can't change my screen name to Head-man. it just ain't right!
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Yep, Holimonter posted it a couple of days ago.  Interesting points by Primoz. I would love to know what the fee is to be a USST pool sponsor, as a ski company. I don't think that it's as steep as with the European powers, nor are the expectations as high in terms of what they need to deliver. Head joined the USST pool last year, or two years ago? I think the only USST skiers on the skis were Bode and Lalive. Maybe one other. I don't think that the USST expects any equipment deals beyond the support for the skiers in the team system skiing on their skis. It's not like, in this country, if you are in the pool, you need to make product and deals available throughout the country at the junior levels. At least that has never been my understanding. I think it's more like paying the fee to get the endorsement and some residual press from the skis....and to ensure in terms of the contractual deal that the company provides what's expected. And the USST adds the fee to the revenue side of their books.

If anybody knows the details, I'd be very interested. I have always heard, for example, that Stockli isn't part of more national pools because it doesn't work financially. Too expensive.  Now, then again, they don't make a ton of skis, despite making great ones. So they are in the Swiss pool, maybe one other small European country's, but that's it.

 

Participation for the suppliers in the USST pool is not a huge investment.( in relative terms to the overall marketing budget) For some of the companies, the parent in Eurpoe will pay the fee, for some the fee is paid by the subsidiary or the distributers. It is a small hurdle that is asked of the suppliers by product category. The fee has to be large enough to force the participating supplier into doing something with the investment, like signing athletes, providing the best possible material for perfomance that the company builds, in some cases providing services, or contributing over and above the pool fees for multimark service, and hopefully providing advertising and promotion dollars for the athletes that were signed. The fee has too be large enough to get the marginal companies to think twice about simply paying the fee and then advertising that their products are performant by association with the USST logo. The idea being that the pool only wants companies that are willing to provide the best products and service to get winning results. The big expense in pool participation are the costs associated with designing, building and testing the product, the fixed money and victory shedules paid out to athletes, and the service costs related to building a winning team. Then there is the marketing and promotion dollars spent to tell the world that your products are performant.

Primoz is correct about how the costs differ with the European teams. Their business climate is very different then ours. Most of the powerful Euro pools, wield a bit more influence with the suppliers.The above the table fees for the pool and the athlete contracts look similar to those in the North American pools, however there are under the table agreements reached between the suppliers and the pools that reek of political manuvering. So yes the cost of doing business with the strong European pools is way more expensive then doing business with the CST or USST.

IMHO on the subject of Rossignol reducing its up front fees to the athletes;

First of all I applaud them for their honesty and communication early in the spring to their athletes. Thus allowing the athletes time to test and negotiate the best deal they can find in an Olympic year. Keep in mind that they did not boot anyone off the program, they just informed the athletes that they could not honor their contracts as they were written, based on survival of the brand. And that was just for the up front money, they kept the victory schedules intact.

Secondly they are in deep shit and have to get healthy financially to survive. All the other brands that participate in ski racing are in the exact position that Rossi is. They however are not talking publically about what they must do to survive, therefore it will only come out when the public can start to see the cracks. ( wait till next year!!!! )

Third, there was only one possibility for Lindsay and that would be with a privately held company, like Head, that does not have to answer to stock holders. In this economy the best any of the big race companies could do, would be to run the price up for someone else because any marketing guy that works for a publically held ski company would be looking for a new job if they tried to sign an athlete of Vonns stature and globes won. The ski industry is getting creamed in this global meltdown, besides Lindsay who for sure was worth every dollar that she was getting from Rossi, there were no other athletes that could garner a bigger pay check by switching at this time. IMO if any other athlete switched suppliers in an Olympic year, they did it because either their ego was bruised or the ego of their agent was bruised.

More than likely, because Bode has not committed to either this years WC or racing at Whistler, Head has made the choice to siphon off some of the funds slated for Bode to fund Lindsay. If Bode decides to ski the WC or Olympics he takes the chance that his up front fees from Head may no longer be available. ( my crazy .02 on this one)

On a similar note, with Tim Petrick now at the helm of Rossi world wide, they stand better than average odds in recovery. Not because Tim Petrick is Tim Petrick, but because he is fiscally conservative and that is exactly what Rossi needs right now. He will put Rossi on a very strict regimen of diet and exercise to trim the fat. FWIW.
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5-6 million for all of Heads World Cup skiers?
Head must think that's cheap, McEnroe was costing them several times that a year.
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McEnroe was using Head racquets? I missed that. Not sure it's even really the same company anyway, though. My guess is that Johnny Mac has earned at least 10x more as a former player than as a pro. Just sayin'...

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Hmm... Holimonter is on Rossi, I wonder what's goig to happen to HIS sponsorship dollars!?!?

:)

My contract with Rossi has not changed; still $0.00.  Thanks for the concern.  
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5-6 million for all of Heads World Cup skiers?
Head must think that's cheap, McEnroe was costing them several times that a year.

 

Head tennis and Head skiing may only share the brand mark.

Also look at the world wide participation numbers of tennis vs skiing. The cost of product development of tennis vs skiing, the cost of production of product and the realized profit margins when skis vs rackets & shoes are sold, and there are no fees to the federations to grease the economy of tennis vs skiing. So the money earned by Johnny Mac is relative too the global size of the court he plays on. In dollars, or Euros generated, sking is not even a pimple on ass of tennis commerce.
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Corporate Profile

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Head makes both skis and tennis equipment,  same company.  That can be found out by simply going to their website. 

 Vonn news on HEAD website

http://www.head.com/corporate/news.php?id=1265





 

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Starthaus,

That was very informative, and makes perfect sense to me. We're obviously going to see some continued contraction on the race side of the industry{maybe all of it}. I would imagine that for athletes, it means that the guaranteed compensation {ie salary} will continue to shrink, and will be available in meaningful numbers to only the very top. The rest will likely be all incentive driven prize money based on results. That's OK. I would think that although Head may have less pressure as a private company, they're still need to watch the checkbook. And from what I know, Petrick is a good guy to have at the helm of Rossi/Dynastar.

I've heard some rumblings about Bode re-joining the USST in some way, and pointing towards competing in Vancouver. There's some limited press about it on Ski Racing today. Bode likes his money, so I guess that Head will be paying him for a while. This season anyways.

The industry has changed a lot, and race results do not always translate into sales for most of the market, particularly in this country. Too bad. Race results influence racers, to varying degrees, but we're a small slice of the pie. My son was at a ski academy, a very good skier, and to get the best stock available from his preferred company, he had to pay quite a bit of money. His roommate is now a professional freerider, and at the same time not only did he get free everything, but he was putting a lot of checks into the bank. Had very good endorsement contracts with about 6 companies, even then. This was 5 years ago. Was an eyeopener to me at the time. Freeriders evidently were selling skis.

 

Thanks again for the post, Starthaus. Good stuff.

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Just a bit off-topic question. Are you sure Head is privately owned company? From my memory (which is far from perfect) it's normal stock company. I'm not sure if this is right word, for this what I mean. I think Head has it shares on Vienna stock exchange, so if I'm right, I don't see much difference between this and Atomic or Rossignol for example.
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Good catch. Just checked their website. Head NV does indeed trade on the Vienna Stock Exchange. Interesting.
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"In 2000, HTM was reorganized as Head N.V. was taken public, its initial offering netting the company more than $135 million. The company's shares began trading on both the Vienna Stock Exchange and New York Stock Exchange. As Head looked forward, it continued its emphasis on research and development while also pursuing external growth. The hope was to add new product lines to provide some diversification. In particular, management began to consider the fitness, bicycle, golf, and fishing sectors, with the goal of doubling the size of Head within five years."

Head ceased trading in the NYSE last year in part I believe as a result of the poor sales the ski industry saw during that period no one had snow.


http://www.head.com/corporate/news.php?id=794

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Also, we need to correct a major diss here. Head has the following top skiers in its stable:

  • Vonn
  • Reisch
  • Paerson
  • Miller
  • Maier
  • Cuche
  • and Richie Rich

I don't want a holiday in the sun

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My apologies on the incorrect info in Head being privately held.

Based on my experience with funding athletes and service for a publically traded company, I was making the assumption that there was no way that anyone in this economic clmate could afford to fund the power house that Head has on the WC.

No disrespect intended to Head. Their products and services are second to none, and LV will dominate on Head lke she did on Rossi.

I am still curious as to how long Head can afford these costs based on world wide marketshare. Even if it snows everywhere in the world this winter, the global ski market appears to be shrinkng.
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Originally Posted by prickly View Post

Also, we need to correct a major diss here. Head has the following top skiers in its stable:

  • Vonn
  • Reisch
  • Paerson
  • Miller
  • Maier
  • Cuche
  • and Richie Rich

Is there any truth in the rumor that the costs of LV are being recouped form RR's spend with Head? 
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Agree 100% ^^^^^. Having this type of stable is expensive. Interesting strategy in this climate. I guess that they decided they could not pass up the opportunity with LV, and "had" to go after her. I'm sure that she wants to be on the skis as well. They have some other big contacts out there, too. Jon Olsson, for one. Dipping his toe back into the alpine world, but a huge freeride presence. Very costly, and it appears out of line with others. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post
I'm sure that she wants to be on the skis as well.

I had small talk with a beer in hand after our ice hockey session last week with guy, who probably knows more about Head skis (at least SL and GS) then anyone else. Since now he's not serviceman of particular racer anymore but working as multimark for different team, he can actually say more then he did before. And based on that, I'm not really sure ski quality would be first reason to switch in this case ;)

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I would agree. I've heard a lot of numbers thrown around with respect to her contract, and I think that drove the deal. BUT, don't you think that Head will come up with skis that will work for her? It seems like they must have their product side of the house in order. I posted a year ago about some ski testing going on with Bode, where Head was literally pressing skis overnight for he and his guys to test the next day. I know three guys, on the cusp of National teams who travelled to Austria to hand pick their race skis with the Head boys this summer......and were blown away by how good the skis were once they got them on snow. These guys were paying a couple of thousand euro's each for their set-up. I think the skis are pretty good. Don't you?  But like a lot of deals, money talks. We've seen that with Bode, I presume with Ligety and Rossi, etc. Sounds like your friend isn't convinced of the skis. That one surprises me. Interesting.
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LOL......
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I'm pretty sure skiers have their favourite skis.  I'm also pretty sure any of the major ski companies can make a ski the winners can win on.
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GO LINDSEY!


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I have it on good authority that Head skis are much better for opening champagne bottles
I'd rather be skiing
 
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