I LOVE my gigantic SUV.

I was referring to the rise in energy prices sure to follow.

The point is his gigantic SUV does not get that bad of mileage. Everyone assumes since it is a gigantic SUV that it gets horrible mileage when the opposite is true.

That explains why they continued to sell like hotcakes when gas was over $4/gal.

Not.

That also happens when the general public just assumes what they hear is true vs actually researching it. I know several people that think there vehicle at under 18mpg get way better mileage than any SUV. Yet if they actually researched and checked the facts they would find out they are wrong. I always get asked what I do special or changed on my GMC Canyon when people find out it gets 22mpg. The mpg of SUV might not be awesome but it tends to be better than what people think it is.

Then there is also the constant hate you will receive from others if you were to drive a SUV around. I can't believe the shit my boss gets about his vehicles constantly, yet his are more environmentally friendly than any Prius on the road.


Edited by CR0SS - 6/28/2009 at 11:23 pm GMT

No argument here about huge battery packs and the environment, but unless they've repealed the laws of physics an 8000 lb truck with twice the frontal area (at least) is not the best way to haul the soccer moms around solo that I'm surrounded by.  I'm sure with modern fuel management you can cruise the highway at a constant 65 and get 20+mpg. What about ten trips a day to the store?  Personally I could care less what mileage these big SUVs get. I wouldn't drive one if they got 40mpg. It's a big truck. It handles like a truck. It parks like a truck. Yuck.

Suburbans are great boat haulers. My boat builder friends swear by them . SUVs with 4wd or AWD are great vehicles for those of us who live in the land of mountains, snow and not-so-great roads.

Like global warming and religion?

Wasn't talking about all SUVs, just BIG SUVs.

Yeah, I love it when folks cross-state the pros of owning a monster truck. But first let me come clean.
I dumped my third Grand Cherokee last summer when gas was going for $4 a pop. 15 mpgs around town was just gluttenous! If I went over 75 mph on I-95 I could watch the mileage drop, really anything over 70 started to kill the mpg. I drive SUVs admitted, but traded for a Ford Xscape with a 5-speed and now get 25 around twon and can get over 29 @ 80mph. I need the space for the dog, the wife and dive gear. Wifey drives a Patriot that gets big mpgs and goes off-road, real Jeep trails!
Okay, my best bro was doing the fancy Yukon monster to Sugarbush from SoJersey and all he did was try and justify the mpgs. Too funny, it was such a dog driving up 100 in the snow he could only go 35 mph. My Grand would stomp that shit at 50+.
Comfort? Driving a sofa is comfortable with a remote in your hand.
Gas is going up, SUV sales are dieing.

Karp -- You must have misunderstood.  Global warming is well established scientifically.

Yet isn't global warming the incorrect term now? We are supposed to say "climate change".

That was the previous Administration.  Global warming is back out of the closet now.

More seriously, I think "climate change" is the better term, since some regions may actually experience cooling -- at least for several decades -- even though overall average global temperature is rising.  Also, the term "climate change" covers more than just warming: changes in rainfall patterns, typhoon frequency and intensity, etc.

 Global warming/Climate Change is a great topic for Politics and Hot Topics which is located in the EpicSki Supporter lounge. 

On topic sort of..
Global Climate Change Warming is being taken seriously by ski resort owners and investors. 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,650221809,00.html


Off topic definitely:
There's little debate as to whether the planet is actually warming in certain regions.  There's a few that think the sun cycles are changing towards behavior that will result in cooling.  The real debate is just how much is mankind effecting climate?  Some say not much at all.

For that argument I agree with the mods.. Move it to P&HT.  These threads are doomed to go there from post one

Most of whom are not scientists -- whether or not they are skiers (see how I deftly wove in a link to sking? --  but, OK, Mom, got it, don't throw the ball in the house... ).

Ya got the wrong one, yo.  Ya need a high boost turbo and a big intercooler under that hood =)

Our trooper is just barely big enough for 3 skiers + lodge mom over a weekend with the adult skis on top.  slightly bigger than a Blazer/Explorer, but a tad smaller than a Suburban/Excursion.  It has 4WD and V6 that gets about 24 highway and 17 city in 2 wheel drive.  Never tested the MPG in 4WD, I'm afraid to know.  Plenty of power and great grab with good rubber, invincible with 4 chains.

Big SUVs have their place too. As I said they are great for towing a boat or a trailer carrying equipment. Well Suburbans are anyway. What really is absurd are soccer moms using these things to cart the kids to the ballfield.

My Jeep is anything but efficient(13mpg in 4wd). Two seats and pair of skis has to go in diagonal if the top is on. But I have yet to not make it up to the mountain for work because I could not move in the snow. One of the perks of my job is fresh tracks on the road driving to work in the morning. You should see some of the dirty looks I get in the grocery store parking lot. You would think I killed some of these peoples kittens or something.

my grand cherokee isn't a gas sipper either, but 1 bad day in the winter or 1 rainy day in the summer after oil has slicked the streets up really good is all the reminder i need on why i drive it.

hit one oil spot on the freeway and the short wheel base on those little suv's will have you doing 720's. i did exactly that in a sportage.

my jeep's like the best pair of jeans you can put on, fits perfect; and if it looks a little nasty outside, she's got claws like wolverine. i'm not giving that up for $4 gas and the govt better bring an army if they expect me to give her up for a fiat 500.

So, ragin', what do you do for a living? (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

I should have said "man made global warming".

Ha, Ha!!!  I need all that cargo space for my wares!!!!!!  When I'm working my truck stays home...I walk the 2 blocks to my store.  Most of the use comes when I'm off; fishin', huntin', carrying supplies to the marsh camp, beer coolers and grill to ball games,etc.  I'm very fortunate not having to travel very far during the week..in fact I probably put less than 20m from Mon thru Thurs.   It's FRIDAY, SATURDAY and SUNDAY that we have some fun!!!!!!

Besides, Posaune I support my local oil companies by using their product!

How's the slide been doin'?  and of course the squeeze box????  Allons a dance'...

PS...for all you boat owners...how about the miles per gallon on the water....lets not even go there...switchin' from 2 cycle to 4 strokes this summer...almost double the efficiency. 

That's funny, my insurance company couldn't agree more with you!  The only way there'd be one of those under the hood is if mine blows up in the next 30k and I trip over a free STi motor & tranny, tho.  I have the bike for when I want to go really, really rediculously fast.  Right now I'm just trying to minimize the cost to almost daily trips to VT in the wintah. 

Hey Ragin'...  What kind of store do you have???  Anything cool? 

I have no idea what kind of mileage my boat gets, but the motor is a multi-port fuel injected 5.7 L. Chevy Vortec V8.  325 horsepower.  I'm sure not good.

Scientifically well established, and some of those scientists probably ski from time to time.  By the way, the moon landing was not staged -- it really happened.

 I think all of you guys Love posting in this thread because you want to use the words
I 
LOVE
My 
Gigantic...

What is a girl's best Friend?????  Ya engaged yet??????

Wait, you sell sex toys??? 

Um, no.  The opposite in fact.  Hell-  I broke up with my girl, lost my dog and my truck crapped out all within two weeks.  It's been a rough coupla weeks for me but thankfully no diamonds needed-  being two weeks shy of our anniversary I spent some of the $ I had saved for her 1ct round studs on a sweet Arc'Teryx Stingray jacket I would have otherwise never bought for myself.