what does it mean when people write that a ski is forgiving? Is there a less forgiving?
1/12/09 at 3:53pm
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how is a ski forgiving
1/12/09 at 3:56pm
When it catches you skiing on another ski it doesn't make you sleep on the couch.
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1/12/09 at 4:00pm
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1/12/09 at 4:12pm
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Undemanding...Don't need to be an expert to work the ski.
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1/12/09 at 4:24pm
It relates to the combined flex, torsion, tuning, etc. characteristics of the ski. A forgiving ski tends to allow for sloppy technique, but also doesn't respond as well to really good technique. A non-forgiving ski, like an SL racing ski, will dump you right on your nose if your technique isn't near-perfect.
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1/12/09 at 4:34pm
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is it true that the Fischer RX8 is a forgiving ski but also responds well to a good skier?
1/12/09 at 5:18pm
A non-forgiving ski does exactly what you tell it to do (via foot and leg movements) when you tell it to do it, and does it with a lot of force (at the ski/snow interface).
A forgiving ski tries to do what it's told but isn't very strong, so the forces at the ski/snow interface are lower and you can easily overpower it when it tries to do something you told it to do that would make you fall.
A ski that is too forgiving will not be able to deliver the needed forces for carving the turns you try (unsuccessfully) to make. The edge won't hold.
A ski that is not forgiving enough will have you falling a lot until you learn what to do with it.
A forgiving ski tries to do what it's told but isn't very strong, so the forces at the ski/snow interface are lower and you can easily overpower it when it tries to do something you told it to do that would make you fall.
A ski that is too forgiving will not be able to deliver the needed forces for carving the turns you try (unsuccessfully) to make. The edge won't hold.
A ski that is not forgiving enough will have you falling a lot until you learn what to do with it.
1/12/09 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by Resipsa62
 is it true that the Fischer RX8 is a forgiving ski but also responds well to a good skier?
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A Fischer RX8 is unforgiving compared to a Fisher RX4.
IMHO RX8 is suitable for someone on the high side of Mid-intermediate and above. (Say skiing all blues comfortably, and some blacks, carving most of their turns, skiing parallel).
OR anyone committed enough to learn the hard way not to give the skis incorrect instructions.
1/12/09 at 5:26pm
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A forgiving ski says...
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1/12/09 at 5:44pm
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Thanks Ghost. I'm a level 4-5 skier 6'1/2" and ski on 155-60 cm. I rented the '06 155 cm RX8 and enjoyed them. Although after reading posts I've discovered I ski like on straight older skis. If I want to turn left I lift the left foot slightly. I have yet to carve on edge as I've read. I want a used pair of skis; should I go rx4 or rx8? Thank you for your imput.
1/12/09 at 6:10pm
IMHO (in my humble opinion) RX6 would be more suitable to your level. However at 200 lbs you need more force so we are up to RX8. Now normally a good skier of 200 lbs would ski an RX8 in 170 or more cm. Since you are really overreaching your ability level with the RX8, drop down a bit and get 160 cm, but expect to move up when you get the hang of things.
Instead of lifting that inside ski, just tip it onto it's edge and make sure the other ski tips too. Then ride the edges. Change turn shape by tipping more or less.
You can ski the RX8 any way you like (except straight lining); it doesn't need you to carve on it; it just feels better that way (IMHO).
Instead of lifting that inside ski, just tip it onto it's edge and make sure the other ski tips too. Then ride the edges. Change turn shape by tipping more or less.
You can ski the RX8 any way you like (except straight lining); it doesn't need you to carve on it; it just feels better that way (IMHO).
1/12/09 at 6:27pm
The whole point of the RX-8 is carving turns, in fact if it's not on edge it can get skittish (wide tip, narrow waist). I wouldn't recommend the RX-8 unless you were looking for a hardpack carver ski. There are better skis to develop technique on, and certainly better skis if you skid your turns. An RX-6 in a suitable size is a much better choice for you IMO than a short RX-8.
1/12/09 at 6:32pm
It has to be on edge, but it doesn't need to be carving a pure arc; it can be skidding. If the OP didn't weigh 200 lbs I would agree with you. Then again, I tend to favour less forgiving skis.
1/12/09 at 6:57pm
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I'm with skier219....
the right ski in the right length. Not too much and too short....
160 cm under a 200 lb 6' tall man is just not right.
the right ski in the right length. Not too much and too short....
160 cm under a 200 lb 6' tall man is just not right.
1/12/09 at 7:07pm
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thanks all three of you but I've never skied anything higher than a 160 and did that once. I have fun on 155's. The longer ski is harder to control. The '06 Fischer RX8 155cm that I skied with my new boots, Dalbella Axion X5, I had the best time ever skiing. I'm used to just rental boots and skis.
1/12/09 at 7:08pm
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If I go to a 170cm I'm adding a 1/2 foot to my skis; that's why I'm looking for a 160cm. Can't I get better and then go longer?
1/12/09 at 7:11pm
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all midwest and east coast trials (Stratton)
1/12/09 at 7:14pm
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thanks all three of you but I've never skied anything higher than a 160 and did that once. I have fun on 155's. The longer ski is harder to control. The '06 Fischer RX8 155cm that I skied with my new boots, Dalbella Axion X5, I had the best time ever skiing. I'm used to just rental boots and skis.
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1/12/09 at 7:15pm
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Again, thanks Ghost. What is straight lining?
1/12/09 at 7:18pm
If you go 170-175 get RX6.
The extra length will be easier to ski in deeper snow, crud, and uneven terrain. Once you learn to tip your skis to turn the length won't bother you.
How many days have you skied in total?
You could probably rent demonstrator RX6 at the same place you tried the RX8.
edit: Straight lining is just aiming your skis at the bottom and not making any turns. The sidecut on both sides of the ski will interact with little terrain irregularities and the skis will wobble back and forth trying to decide if they want to turn left or right instead of going straight.
The extra length will be easier to ski in deeper snow, crud, and uneven terrain. Once you learn to tip your skis to turn the length won't bother you.
How many days have you skied in total?
You could probably rent demonstrator RX6 at the same place you tried the RX8.
edit: Straight lining is just aiming your skis at the bottom and not making any turns. The sidecut on both sides of the ski will interact with little terrain irregularities and the skis will wobble back and forth trying to decide if they want to turn left or right instead of going straight.
1/12/09 at 7:23pm
160 to 170 is 10 cm. 10 cm is 4 inches. 4 more inches of ski is not harder to manage, you wont even notice the difference, 2 inches in front of your boot and 2 inches behind it.
160 is too short for you. Demo some 170's, maybe even 175's before dropping money on a 160 you will surely outgrow in 1 season.
160 is too short for you. Demo some 170's, maybe even 175's before dropping money on a 160 you will surely outgrow in 1 season.
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1/12/09 at 7:24pm
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A forgiving ski is forgiving of balance errors.
Too far back? No problem, there is enough tail.....
6" more ski means roughly 3 more inches fore and 3 more inches aft.
Too far back? No problem, there is enough tail.....
6" more ski means roughly 3 more inches fore and 3 more inches aft.
1/12/09 at 7:26pm
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I've skied around 9times at Stratton in Vermont 3 times at Wilmot in Wisconsin and once at West Mountain in New York. In the 80's (I'm 46) I skied Lovland Colorado, Big Bear in Southern California and Wilmot all one time.
1/12/09 at 7:26pm
Really if I were in your shoes, I would get TS01's 170 cm RX8 and take my lumps like a man until I mastered them, but I'm a glutton for punishment.
1/12/09 at 7:27pm
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I usually stay on the greens primarily but do go on the blues at Stratton.
1/12/09 at 7:30pm
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Yeah I hear you Ghost but I'd rather a shorter pair and happily give them away to a newbie and then buy the 170's. At my age I know I'm mortal. I consider a good day of skiing as one where I have fun don't fall and therefore come back in one piece.
1/12/09 at 7:31pm
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I was watching extreme skiing on utube and I'm amazed at what these kids can do on skis.
1/12/09 at 7:32pm
Is this for real
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How can you go skiing a dozen times or so and still be content to stay on the greens and maybe some blues? Different strokes for different folks i guess. Or maybe those rental boots and shoddy skis made skiing the blues/blacks pretty scary.
.How can you go skiing a dozen times or so and still be content to stay on the greens and maybe some blues? Different strokes for different folks i guess. Or maybe those rental boots and shoddy skis made skiing the blues/blacks pretty scary.
