Which bindings for new Gotamas?

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10/31/08 at 7:39pm

asianguy63
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Just bought a new pair of 183 Goats and was wondering which bindings i should mount with.

for a while i was convinced i wanted either marker jesters or dukes but from the positive things people have been saying about the Rossi Axial 2 140s i'm thinking about jumping ship and saving some $$

Are there any other models i should consider?

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10/31/08 at 7:41pm

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I picked up some Look PX12's for my goats. The great thing about Look bindings is they are relatively cheap.

From what I have heard on this forum they have a pretty good reputation and a wider screw interface (FWIW)

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10/31/08 at 7:47pm

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Look/Ross or Mojo 15s.

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10/31/08 at 8:02pm

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Originally Posted by ut_hucker

Look/Ross or Mojo 15s.

Hijack ut hucker sent your coat today, priority mail.

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10/31/08 at 8:07pm

ut_hucker
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Thanks. It's future owner is excited about it.

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10/31/08 at 8:14pm

asianguy63
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Has anyone tried both the fat Marker lines and the Rossi PX/Look series? is there a significant difference in performance to warrant the extra cost of a Duke/Jester?

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11/1/08 at 4:27am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by asianguy63

Has anyone tried both the fat Marker lines and the Rossi PX/Look series? is there a significant difference in performance to warrant the extra cost of a Duke/Jester?

There is significant difference in "cool" factor being on AT Dukes in the lift line.

Go with Look if you are not planning b/c-ing.

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11/1/08 at 4:47am

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The fat Markers are liiight for a high DIN binding.

Click. Point. Chute.

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11/1/08 at 7:44am

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Originally Posted by Philpug

The fat Markers are liiight for a high DIN binding.

The fat Markers ("freeride" bindings) also have the "big air pad", a spongy thingee that absorbs the shock of landings and also makes the binding mushy and less precise feeling. Or at least that's what I've been told.

Based on that advice, I mounted my Mantras with regular Ti12.0 fitted with wide brakes. I guess it depends on how you ski. I don't go for air (well, not very much) and hate the imprecise feeling. YMMV.

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11/1/08 at 7:52am

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Or you could just go Marker Griffon/Baron? - cheaper than Duke/Jester and the same binding just with lower DIN.. And Völkl owns Marker so they kind of match, even though a lot of people in here hate Markers :P

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11/1/08 at 8:30am

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Find some old Salomon 912 Tis. They will help keep your set-up relatively light for that fat a ski.

In Bozeman waiting for first contact

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11/2/08 at 7:17pm

asianguy63
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hrm i think i'm more torn than ever now but thanks for all the advice guys~

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11/3/08 at 6:52am

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I went with a set of jesters for mine. No real reason other than they look cool and I got them for an insane price.

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11/3/08 at 6:55am

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I am surprised no one has asked about your DIN settings in the past so far or your skiing style.

Are you doing BC? If no then why expensive Dukes?

If you are typically well under a 12 DIN then I would recommend the Salomon z12ti's.

That is what I went with after asking the same question here last year and they have been great Super light!

Next.....the mounting point question

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11/3/08 at 6:59am

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If you plan on skiing with Look/Rossi bindings better not lose a ski on steeps or in powder because they are the worst bindings to get into.

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11/3/08 at 9:41am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Deemo

I am surprised no one has asked about your DIN settings in the past so far or your skiing style.

Are you doing BC? If no then why expensive Dukes?

If you are typically well under a 12 DIN then I would recommend the Salomon z12ti's.

That is what I went with after asking the same question here last year and they have been great Super light!

Next.....the mounting point question

Aggressive high level 8/low level 9, mostly off-piste.
DIN setting 9. Was considering Dukes because i had found them at sub 300 price but otherwise not much BC.

and i've heard so far given the modest sidecut of the goats that mounting point doesnt make as much a difference, usually center or +1. is that accurate?

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11/3/08 at 9:42am

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Originally Posted by cstreu1026

I went with a set of jesters for mine. No real reason other than they look cool and I got them for an insane price.

private seller? any more left?

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11/3/08 at 9:42am

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Depends what you intend to do - just skiing or some skinning too.

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11/3/08 at 9:42am

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Originally Posted by ski=free

If you plan on skiing with Look/Rossi bindings better not lose a ski on steeps or in powder because they are the worst bindings to get into.

not sure i like the sound of that. can you elaborate?

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11/3/08 at 9:43am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PowHog

Depends what you intend to do - just skiing or some skinning too.

no skinning, so no use for free heel really. just caught a good offer

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11/3/08 at 9:55am

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I also have the 183's and I put Dukes on mine, so I can have the option of skinning if I want..

Best set-up I've ever skied...

I also had some watea 94's w/jesters and the to me the jesters feel different from the dukes.. Personal opinion..

Every man dies, but not every man lives......

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11/3/08 at 10:55am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by asianguy63

not sure i like the sound of that. can you elaborate?

He's got a bug up his butt about Looks. Not sure why.

I answered in a different thread:

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Originally Posted by alpinedad

I couldn't disagree more with ski=free. The Look heel dildo allows you to get the ski on by pulling up with your hands, which is a key alternative in circumstances (powder and steeps) where pressing down is most difficult. That's particularly true for folks like me and the OP, who set DIN at 10 -- it provides a lot more resistance when clamping in.

I ... own a pair of Dukes. They're solid bindings....

That said, I have zero pairs of Jesters sitting in my garage, but two pairs each of Rossi Axial2 14 Tis and Tyrolia d10 FF17s sitting in boxes. Those four pairs of bindings, combined, cost me about what a single pair of Jesters would.

I haven't skied the Axial2s yet, but I have 14-DIN Axials (old turntable style) on 99mm-wide Bros, without complaints. I have a pair of d10 FF17s on narrower skis, and Mojo 15s (basically the same bindings with different springs) on Praxis, and love them in those varied settings -- a very solid feeling clamp in, and I've had zero prerelease problems with either.

One other factor to consider is the brand of skis you're mounting -- not for technical reasons, but because most manufacturers double the warranty when you mount with an associated binding.

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11/3/08 at 11:01am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by asianguy63

not sure i like the sound of that. can you elaborate?

Look/Dynastar/Rossi type bindings have sort of a double mechanism to get into the bindings. It's not intentional I'm sure but they are hard to get into in the first place as compared to others. You don't want to be fussing with your bindings on very steep terrain with or without powder. Powder just makes it worse. There is a reason they are cheaper. For inbounds, park, non steep or non powder go nuts. I have 3 pair. For all else Salomon, Tyrollia/head/4front, Jesters for me

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11/3/08 at 11:05am

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Every other binding maker has designed a binding that you don't need your hands to get into. I don't want to have to bend over and pull on a binding on a 40-50 degree slope to get my ski on. If you don't mind this by all means get a look

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11/3/08 at 11:45am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ski=free

If you plan on skiing with Look/Rossi bindings better not lose a ski on steeps or in powder because they are the worst bindings to get into.

I've never had a problem putting on Look bindings in any conditions.

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11/3/08 at 11:47am

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Originally Posted by cjb

I've never had a problem putting on Look bindings in any conditions.

That's fantastic. Doesn't make it a good binding though. They are much harder get into than other bindings. That is clear.

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11/3/08 at 12:12pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ski=free

That's fantastic. Doesn't make it a good binding though. They are much harder get into than other bindings. That is clear.

Look bindings are among the best on the market. Any serious skier would know that. Not sure why you've had trouble getting into them. Are you coordinated?

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11/3/08 at 1:08pm

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That's fantastic. Doesn't make it a good binding though. They are much harder get into than other bindings. That is clear.

I don't understand this statement. What evidence supports this or is it just your opinion? I currently have Salomon, Look, Head and Ross bindings on my skis. I notice no discernible difference trying to get into my Look bindings.

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11/3/08 at 1:33pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ski=free

That's fantastic. Doesn't make it a good binding though. They are much harder get into than other bindings. That is clear.

Huh? Okey doke, it's not a good binding. What else has the elasticity? No, it's a suckee binding for sure.

Try this next time - push down on heel, insert boot, pull up on binding. Tough, eh?

"Much harder to get into than other bindings" - you're on planet earth, right?

"I'm quite certain that I don't need some pre madonna telling me how everyone's foot is different." Greggor.

"Anywhere else is a waist of time." Skier232.

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11/3/08 at 1:50pm

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My $.02:

The one pair of Look bindings I owned required you to remove just about every molecule of snow from your boots to click in. Other than that, no complaints.

With Markers (which is what I usually use) you can click in with almost an inch of snow on the bottom of your boots. The downside here is that you can acquire a "snow cant" from that extra snow which can make your alignment go to hell. So clean 'em off anyway, even though you can click in with a stupid amount of snow on the bottoms of your boots.

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