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Salomon Falcon-shell boots--recommended!

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Liners in the CS being different???^^^We are almost sold out of the CS, but I'll take a look at the different liners today
not the cs..the cs pros...some of them are seam-sealed toe boxes (like last years falcons) but with the shiny reflective main exterior panels and some are neoprene toe boxes...i took back a 26.5 today that was mis-sized (neoprene) and the 25.5 i gave the customer in its place was seam-sealed. my 28.5 are neoprene and my buddy who works in the same shop i do has a 28.5 thats seam sealed...i cant get my head around it...
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I think I'm ready to give up on my Falcon CS Pros. It's not the boot's fault, it is just too voluminous for my foot. The weird thing is that they make my feet go numb (as if they're too tight), yet my foot slops around in them - both vertically and side-to-side.

I added 6 mm of shims to the sides of my feet, and this significantly reduced the side-side slop. I also added a tongue pad which helped a little to hold my heel down, but it would still slip out of the heel pocket unless I really cranked the middle two buckles.

I really wanted this boot to work for me, but I'm afraid it just won't.

Anyone want to buy a pair of 29.0's with 7 days on 'em and no shell mods? I'll probably see what the dealer will do for me as far as exchange, but I may have to sell 'em.

AM.
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Can you recommend a particular glue brand? Apparently the one that my local ski shop uses does not work

Max
Sorry for the delayed reply.

Unfortunately, this weekend I noticed the urethane has given way. It held for about 10 ski days.

I'm going to try a dab of shoe goo.....
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sounds like attacking mid you need to be in a plug boot, and a narrow one at that

have you tried the rossi radical wc boot? its like 92 mm i ski comfortably in a 98mm falcon shell and i found the zb/zb rossi to be too narrow to ski without modification...give it a whirl if you can find it

you might need it softened a bit though..
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5 days on my Falcon 10's, best boot I've owned and haven't had to make any boot mods yet for fit.
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What is the difference in the Falcon 9 vs Falcon 10? Just flex?

Is flex the only difference in the Falcon series (2008)? Same liner? Level 4-5 appropriate?
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Has anyone compared these directly in fit to any of the Langes, I see their both 98mm? I tried some 10s on and liked the fit, but I'm having trouble finding Langes locally.
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Is flex the only difference in the Falcon series (2008)? Same liner? Level 4-5 appropriate?
The F9 uses a MyCustomFit Pro liner while the F10 uses a CustomFit Race liner. Not exactly sure what the differences between the two are aside from the leather-like material on the Race liner.

The F10 also has a wider powerstrap, FWIW.
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The F9 uses a MyCustomFit Pro liner while the F10 uses a CustomFit Race liner. Not exactly sure what the differences between the two are aside from the leather-like material on the Race liner.
The F10 also has a wider powerstrap, FWIW.
I wonder if the "race liner" contributes to the "cold" complaints I've read about? The MyCustomFit Pro liner has a sort of an aluminized outer shell, which I would think would provide some heat retention, or maybe just a gimmick.

Thanks for the input!
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Interesting. I have the Falcon 9 and have skied it for about 60 days so far this season in temperatures down to 15 below. No problems with cold feet, and I used to have that problem with other boots. Perhaps its the liner or perhaps that it's well fitted (thank you, Jeff Bergeron). The fit makes a huge difference. Pressure points can cut off circulation and result in cold feet.
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The fit makes a huge difference. Pressure points can cut off circulation and result in cold feet.
Mike, true enough!
BTW, did you heat fit the liners or just start wearing them? Have they packed out any?
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I didn't heat them. They have packed out very little. Still very pleased with them!
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Does anyone know what the difference is between the Falcon Race, X2 Lab or X3 Lab, and S-Lab?
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Can you recommend a particular glue brand? Apparently the one that my local ski shop uses does not work

Max
Max,

I tacked down the black seal with a dab of black Shoe Goo. I left it clamped for 48 hours.

I have 4 days on snow since then and so far it's holding. My fingers are crossed.
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Does anyone know what the difference is between the Falcon Race, X2 Lab or X3 Lab, and S-Lab?
Bump. I'm curious about this too.
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Does anyone know what the difference is between the Falcon Race, X2 Lab or X3 Lab, and S-Lab?


stiffness and liner materials
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I am posting my comments from the Ask The Boot Guys section. It took a bit of doing but I really dialed them in. See below. Sorry, it's lengthy.

Hi guys. Well, after two more days of pain and then numbness, I cried uncle and visited the shop. My wife came as well, as she was the voice of reason (I am the cheap one of the family). I was told that I am wide in the toe area and have narrow heals and small ankles. Lucky for the shop, I happen to fit best in one of the most expensive models (given what I was also looking for in a boot).

I got fitted for the the Falcon CS. Wow, what a difference. I had one hot spot caused by a prior broken pinky toe which now kind of sticks out further than it should. The fitter fixed that problem in a jiffy. I barely have to buckle the lower buckles and it feels super snug; like a glove. The funny thing was that the boot literally felt like it was half the weight of my old boot. I think it came from the fact that this boot has absolutely no play when my foot was in it; I mean NONE. He set up me just right. He looked at my superfeet inserts and said a custom was not necessary since a prior shop did a decent job of posting them where needed. As a matter of fact, prior to putting those in there, I felt like my heels did not want to get planted in the boots. I felt a bit like I was tip-toeing. Put in the superfeet and problem solved. He kept my ever so slightly canted inward, although it was flatter than in the old boots. It still felt the same edge to edge when skiing. The boot has a more upright feel than the old ones. It took a bit of getting used to on the slopes, but it was much more comfortable when standing in line. I also lost the slight pain in my knee cap, which showed up this season (getting old).

Oh yeah, no pain, no numbing, just all day happiness. Worth every freakin' penny. For those of you suffering, take it from one cheap bastard, it's worth it.

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After about 10 days in the boots I started to feel like I had too much room in the boot. My feet were slopping around but I felt like I had too much space in the toe area (up and down and side to side) and I felt like my left foot in particular had too much space. Now, I am being totally anal here, but I was really looking for a snug fit. I felt like I really had to put level pressure on my left foot, meaning heel and ball, for it to feel right when edging.

So, I went back to the shop and asked for some help. We first tried a thin shim in both boots. My right was getting crushed at the top and it made the left a bit better, but nothing great. I went back the following day and sat down with a very well informed bootfitter (they three or four in the shop). I explained to him what was going on and he said "I hate to tell you this but I think we need to size you down". He explained that their is a fine line between comfort and and a truly snug fit.

My foot is a tad over 28.0. He suggested the Falcon 10 in a 27.0 because for some reason it appeared to be narrower in the area vs. the Pro. I had zero room in it from side to with the liner out, since the edges of my feet were touching both sides. Front to back I was lucky to jam a finger in there. It was very tight when I got into the boot. I even felt a tiny bit of pressure on top of my big toe. However, the minute I leaned a bit forward, all pressure points disappeared! I didn't appear to have any hotspots but it wasn't the most comfortable neither. He asked me to give it a chance and try it out for a couple of days before making any changes to the shell. However, if I noticed any pain after taking the boots off, bruising, etc., then I was to come back imediately. He also kept the footbed that came with the boot in place, since he felt that my superfeet my make things too tight for now. He felt that I would appreciate a custom footbed, but felt that I should get at least 20 or say days of hard skiing in so the liner can break in a bit.

Fortunately, the next day was very warm so the boots did not shrink onto my foot. After a few hours the boot felt great. I could feel everything in the boot and the response was much quicker and precise. Mind you, I am not a racer, just a 42 year old guy that loves to ski. Even I could tell the difference.

Well, I put close to twenty days into these things and we didn't have to change a thing. The liners definately started to break in and I started to feel a bit of that left foot action that I spoke about earlier. Not nearly as bad though, I am just being a pain in the ass at this point. So I went back to the shop and visited my favorite boot guy. Told him what was going on, and I explained that I almost felt like maybe one part of the foot is caving in, thus floating another part. I think it is time to talk custom beds.

He recommended a semi custom footbed (he felt that it would do the job and the cost of a full custom will not justify the small added benefit. I guess I have a fairly normal foot.). Once he put my foot on the vacuum aparatus (I am sure it has a name) He immediately noticed that the ball on my left foot was pushed in fairly deep. He thought that may be the cause of the "floating" feeling I get. So he molded the footbed and posted up some of the areas underneath. He also added a tiny bit under the heel to help me a bit with forward lean.

Well, that made for a snug fit. I mean, things were pretty tight before. In the past, I basically just snugged the two front buckles down because they were there. It is even tighter now. But the feel is unreal. No more "floating" feeling. My feet are finally totally wrapped. I am so much more accurate edge to edge; it may be just in my head but those footbeds rock. Even more noticeable in the trees and bumps. Finally I feel like I know if I am going to move my feet, the skis will follow immediately. A good boot will wrap around the front, back, sides and top. The custom fills all those unnecessary spaces underneath. The gaps may be subtle, but they are there, and they suck. Oh yeah, there is the whole alignment thing as well and the ability of the boot guy to get you in the right position. I found that I am much happier being just a tad more forward, even though I sacrifice some comfort when standing in line.

For those of you looking for a truly snug fit. I understand why racers size down. They take it to the extreme but I think I found the happy medium.


One more thing. The flex of the 10 is a bit softer than the Pro. It felt very nice. Never thought about flex ratings before. It makes a difference, even for everyday bombing around. I believe the falcon 10 is rated 110. Much easier to flex and there was no way I was going to crush it. I weigh 170lbs. Great boot.

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stiffness and liner materials

From what I can read on other sites, it looks like the X2 Lab is has a flex rating of 100. I thought the X2 Lab was supposed to be a "race" boot. 100 seems low for a race boot, I was expecting a 120-130 flex rating?!??!
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I was able to meet a few of the brethern last light as they came in tot he shop.  It was great to meet Bazzer from Miami!  Great guy.  Fireball dropped the bomb on a pair of Falcon 10s- hopefully I'll get to ski with these guys today.  A little nip and tuck had him in the driver's seat.

 

Bump for more Falcon 10 reviews.


Stephen A. McDonald, C. Ped
Jackson Hole Sports, Base of Bridger Gondola
Jackson Hole Mountain Resort
http://thepedorthist.blogspot.com/
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peterk the falcon 10 and cs pro should be the exact same flex and exact same width...obviously a smaller size will be narrower but in a like size they should be identical widths and flex

 

airwar the x2 lab is a 130 flex. websites make mistakes all the time...this year salomons own site lists the cs pro as being 120 iirc, and you can see the picture that plainly says its a 110

 

im still satisfied with my cs pro, but im FREAKING OUT over the crazy white and black x3 falcon from next year...its  the regular falcon lower shell (98mm) with the upper cuff from the x3 race boot, the full on WC race liner and this huuuuuge power strap

 

 

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Looks great but the white... . I like my Falcon 9s in black

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Sweet jesus I want them!  What's the flex on those things?

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Falcon 9s are a 90 flex.  Look back on this thread and you'll find a listing of all the Falcon-shell boots and their flex indexes.  They range from 90 up to 130.

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I have seven days on the 2008 Falcon 9 and I have to say they are really sweet. I have a lower volume foot, mid high arch, narrow heel, average forefoot, even have a right toe hallix limitus, and these are very comfortable.  It took about 6 hours use to get them fitting right (no heat).  First day have some arch and toe issues, so I just loosened the buckles up and skied easy..  Then I could gradually take notches up on the buckles, and everything was fine. I did notice on one day that toes were getting a bit cold, but I realized that it occurred after I had tightened them up, maybe too much.

These are great, no-nonsense boots that have good predictable flex.

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Yes the Falcon 9s are great, and look perfect with my 2Vs....

 

The first 2 or 3 days I couldn't stand them, I had a pain on the external part of the arc.

 

I went for a boot customisation, customs sidas insoles and canting.

 

Now they are perfect.

 

 

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I'm in a Falcon 10 in a 24.5 (my street shoe is 8.5 - yes, it's a performance fit) and they are the best boots I've ever owned.  With the exception of my orthotics, my boots are completely stock and fit like gloves.

 

Anybody seen any Falcon 10's or Falcon Race (not the X2, X3 or S-Lab) in a 24.5 at their local shop?  I'm thinking I need a backup pair for when my current ones wear out.

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im still satisfied with my cs pro, but im FREAKING OUT over the crazy white and black x3 falcon from next year...its  the regular falcon lower shell (98mm) with the upper cuff from the x3 race boot, the full on WC race liner and this huuuuuge power strap

 

Custom lower shell (98ish) and Booster-like strap. NOT just a huuuuuge power strap. I wonder how elastic that strap actually is. 

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Hi folks, 

I wanted to open a new thread but i'm glad that i've found this one .

Just wanted to ask about 09/10 , Falcon CS and CS PRO 's ... seems they all come now with Custom Shell technology, so old Falcon 10's are replaced with Falcon CS... has anyone tried these new boots?
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 Dobies for narrow feet
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DOES ANYONE KNOW IF SIZING CHANGED BETWEEN THE 2007 FACON 110 AND THE FALCON CS PRO OF 2008/09
ALSO THE X-3?
tHANKS

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