FS: Custom Prototypes from a New Builder

Phil is out.

More info on my epoxy costs ( I wanted to verify what I said):

• 1.2 qts $62.58 shipped
• 2x 1.2qts $125.16 shipped
• 1.5 gal $134 shipped

Telerod15 and RTTP:

Want to split the 1.5gallon kit?

MMM

waffles

I can't believe that he has resisted this long. "The Philski" could look pretty sweet...

When would the payment be due by?

Well I just ordered base material edges and fiberglass (plus a little carbon), so the sooner the better. Let me know what epoxy you want and I can make up an order/estimate form specific to your skis.

Sounds good to me.

I'll go with the 1.5 gallon.

OK.

I've got to go get some wood tonight to start LeeX's cores. IIRC, all I need from you guys now are dimensions and core wood.

email sent.

Kyle, what do you think about 183cm x 130/90/115? Can you make a ski this shape with decent torsional rigidity?

The cherry/ash cores for the ill-fated Mind's Eye looked pretty, I would like the same combination if you think it's a good idea. I want the skis to be fairly stiff. I have a history of ripping bindings out of skis, so we should probably use wood that will be best for binding retention. Although you have agreed to put threaded inserts in my pair, I imagine the potential for ripping out the inserts is a similar concern.

For graphics, how about stencil KRP8128 on the shovels and TR15 on the tails underneath a clear topsheet? Just an idea, let me know what you think. No graphics would be fine with me, too. I like the idea of clear topsheet. What exactly will be under there besides the wood? I assume you wrap the core with fiberglass. I haven't had time to look too deeply into the linked threads and skibuilder website, so I'm still pretty clueless on the details. Should we be thinking about putting carbon in there?

I LOVE IT! I was actually contemplating 133-96-116 @184cm for me. These two skis are almost identical, so I'll just go with the one deign.

Torsional Rigidity is a concern for me on a ski this size. Shoot me an e-mail and we can discuss what I'm thinking of doing here.

I can do that combo, and I think you'll love the stiffness and "pop" of the ash. Both woods are nice and dense, so holding these:



in shouldn't be an issue. By the way, what size screws do you use in your bindings?

Really?

I've bought the clear topsheet, I think I like the idea of showing off the wood core. We might put some carbon in for some torsional rigidity. We could always put some graphics in to cover sections while exposing the rest of the core.

M5? On the bolt head it says THE A2-70. On the package it says M5 x 18mm.

That sounds about right. 4 per ski? What binding, I should be able to find a template somewhere.

P.S. My parents got the check last night, but forgot to bring it to work (the bank) this morning.

Hey LeeX, your skis are done!

Not really. Cores are going to get glued up and the patterns cut tomorrow though.

Had me going for a sec

I don't think the paper is going to be torsionally rigid enough for my rippin skillz, even if we use cardboard for the core, I might need inserts

MMMM symmetrical fatties. Mine waist will be off center, right?

The waist on those is located a bit back, but as they are going to be twins it is not that far. I looked at the specs of the skis LeeX wanted me to emulate (Line Prophet & Armada ARW) and set the waist back the same amount.

From the data I can find, most skis have a 60/40 split. I can make it whatever you'd like.

780 from the tail please . and if I forgot to mention, flat squared off tail too.

Can you go back a page and grab the PDF spec sheet that I posted? I just want to get all your info in one place. More then likely I will be finishing your design this week.

Place the inserts such that the ball of my foot is on the center of the running surface. The ball of my foot is 12mm behind the rear two binding mounting holes on my Voile CRBs. They use the four hole telemark standard that K2 uses.

I started a thread asking advice on the design of these skis, and Comprex has put the idea in my head to use a Ash/Maple combination.

I like that idea.

I think I found a local hardwood supplier too. I had to hit up 2 lowes and a home depot to get enough clear material for Lee's cores.

OK. How about a second set of inserts one inch further back? If it's not too much trouble, it might be nice to have two positions to choose from.

Let me check out the hole pattern tonight. As long as things aren;t too close together i could easily do that.

The front and rear holes are about 4.5in apart, so there shouldn't be a problem. I know it will be more work for you though.

Since learning of the idea here at Epicski, I've become a strong believer in the bof/crs mounting point. I noticed on my Enemys, that position is very close to the manufacturer's recommended location. But like I said it might be nice to have a second position just in case. I might find the rearward position better in really deep snow, God forbid I find myself in such conditions...

I don't know where the waist of my ski should be. I'm told G3 makes a ski shaped similar to the numbers I came up with. Could we copy that one? I hate skiing switch (because snow gets between my boot and ski) and I'm afraid of rails (would not dream of sliding one on my handmade custom skis) so a conventional design should suit me better than a freestyle design.

Sierra Jim says all the twins he likes are around 186cm. Not that an inch will make a difference, but maybe we should bump it up from 183 to 186. I assume we are going with a twin tip which is fine with me, although I have no strong preference either way.

Should be as simple as sliding the template over an inch and making 4 more holes. A couple extra bucks for more inserts though.

I measured a lot of skis last year, and so did someone at TGR. For freeride/all mountain skis it seems to be about a 60/40 split for the waist location. A full twin should be more like 55/45.

Send me the G3 link or name.

I can do that. Full twin or just a slight upturn? It sounds like you really don't need the full twin.

Sneek Peek...

114-82-104 165cm

Kyle,

That is COOL!!

Great job. I think we have one pair down..

Swweeeett!

My wife likes em.
I was going to keep it a secret, but had to show her..

Lee

Very nice!

Slight upturn sounds good, perhaps with a notch for skins?

Sounds like I'll be making 2 pairs of these....