Ski pants suspenders (stupid question perhaps)

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9/30/08 at 11:06pm

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Perhaps a stupid question- can someone recommend suspenders for ski pants?

I got a pair of the new REI Shuksan pants with eVent that promise to be a very good option this winter- the problem is that I am quite used to skiing in bib-style pants and hate when my undershirt untucks from the back, but I digress..

I am looking for something more specialized than the typical "old-guy type" suspenders because:
1. I am afraid that the regular suspenders would be either too weak and would come off in the middle of the run, or would be too strong and would rub a hole through the fabric.
2. Maybe I could find something that attaches to the belt loops...
3. Of course I could always sew something on, but I'd like to look around for a more off-the-shelf solution first...

Thanks for suggestions...

Alex

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10/1/08 at 12:46am

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Something like:

http://www.keela.co.uk/index.php?mai...roducts_id=248

or these at REI:

http://www.rei.com/product/637364

Personally I find a webbing belt through the belt loops usually does the trick. but I've had the same thought as you.

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10/1/08 at 4:09am

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Some suspenders come with button holes rather than clamps. You could sew buttoms onto the waistband thus still allowing easy removal, but no worries about "premature release" or clamps eating into fabric....just a thought.

Momentum is a terrible thing to waste.

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10/1/08 at 4:52am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RiDeC58

Some suspenders come with button holes rather than clamps. You could sew buttoms onto the waistband thus still allowing easy removal, but no worries about "premature release" or clamps eating into fabric....just a thought.

I have an old pair of TNF pants that have loops in the pant and velcro on the ends of the suspenders---pass thru loop and stick to itself and thats the adjustment method as well.

Whee!

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10/7/08 at 6:27am

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I have the Chisco ones from REI. I wish I had saved my money - they slip. I have more duct tape on these than I really should. They work now, but I don't like them.

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10/7/08 at 6:38am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by axebiker

I have the Chisco ones from REI. I wish I had saved my money - they slip. I have more duct tape on these than I really should. They work now, but I don't like them.

They pretty much all slip on Gore-Tex and even the off-name hard shell pants. This shouldn't be surprising: Gore-Tex is just about as slippery as your Teflon AFD.

A better solution than duct tape is to stitch patches of leatherette or denim or similar to the suspender contact points at the belt line.

(Note to self to get the machine out).

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexzn

1. I am afraid that the regular suspenders would be either too weak

Ski duty ones are usually fatter and more elastic.

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or would be too strong and would rub a hole through the fabric.

Doesn't happen: today's outdoor pants are tougher than about any others.

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2. Maybe I could find something that attaches to the belt loops...

Clips slip off belt loops too. One solution is to put a squeezable high-friction (i.e. not nylon webbing) belt through them and clip to that.

Now on Mondays.

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10/7/08 at 7:00am

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I picked up some Cloudveil Kovacs. I will only ski with a suspendered pant.

Click. Point. Chute.

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10/7/08 at 7:07am

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I think you worry too much. I still use my ancient old alligator clip suspenders and my ancient Marmot pants are just fine.

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10/7/08 at 6:21pm

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Originally Posted by comprex

They pretty much all slip on Gore-Tex and even the off-name hard shell pants. This shouldn't be surprising: Gore-Tex is just about as slippery as your Teflon AFD.

A better solution than duct tape is to stitch patches of leatherette or denim or similar to the suspender contact points at the belt line.

Actually, I was talking about the adjustment slides, both on the individual straps, and the centering thingie on back. The little clips pop open too.

Let me put it simply - I went back to the $4 K-Mart cheapos, rather than the bells & whistles $25 model from REI.

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10/30/08 at 7:10pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Philpug

I picked up some Cloudveil Kovacs. I will only ski with a suspendered pant.

Concur - however try finding a pair of those (or just about anything else decent with built-in suspenders) that fits a person with a 28" inseam. My 10 year old "short" Patagonia's have been slowly unraveling while I try to find a replacement.

It appears that none of the so-called quality (or is it price?) leaders in the market (Clouveil, Arcteryx, Marmot, etc.) think it worthly to make something for us with stubby legs. Even Patagonia has given up - they no longer make the model I own.

Only Northface and Spyder claims (on their websites) to make suspendered pants in a short inseam, but I've had no luck finding them in Denver (or even on the web). I am loath to consider any choices without suspenders since I also have no hips which in turn would result in the same question as the OP. I rant....

So

any recommendations for a solid lead on a pair of higher quality small (30" waist) and short (28" inseam) suspendered ski pants? I'd like it to have some type of waterproof laminate like Gore-tex, Entrant Dermizax, etc. I haven't look at some of the other quality brands mentioned in other threads (e.g., Westcomb, Kjus, etc.) since I've never seen live specimens of these in Denver. While I'm leery about buying something via the web without knowing if they'll fit, I just may have to...help

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10/30/08 at 8:00pm

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I don't like to ski in bibs. Pants with suspenders work great.

How many days a year are you putting in? A sturdy pair ffrim Dulith Trading may do the trick. They make some really nice stuff.

Stephen A. McDonald, C. Ped
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10/30/08 at 8:23pm

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Originally Posted by Skiing-in-Jackson

Pants with suspenders work great.

How many days a year are you putting in? A sturdy pair ffrim Dulith Trading may do the trick. They make some really nice stuff.

on the suspendered pants....

If the above question was for me, I ski 20 or so days, am pretty abusive (lots of Steamboat trees), mainly go out when the snow is fresh and seek the stashes.

BTW - what the heck is a "ffrim Dulith Trading"?

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10/30/08 at 11:20pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ski-ra

Concur - however try finding a pair of those (or just about anything else decent with built-in suspenders) that fits a person with a 28" inseam. My 10 year old "short" Patagonia's have been slowly unraveling while I try to find a replacement.

It appears that none of the so-called quality (or is it price?) leaders in the market (Clouveil, Arcteryx, Marmot, etc.) think it worthly to make something for us with stubby legs. Even Patagonia has given up - they no longer make the model I own.

Only Northface and Spyder claims (on their websites) to make suspendered pants in a short inseam, but I've had no luck finding them in Denver (or even on the web). I am loath to consider any choices without suspenders since I also have no hips which in turn would result in the same question as the OP. I rant....

So

any recommendations for a solid lead on a pair of higher quality small (30" waist) and short (28" inseam) suspendered ski pants? I'd like it to have some type of waterproof laminate like Gore-tex, Entrant Dermizax, etc. I haven't look at some of the other quality brands mentioned in other threads (e.g., Westcomb, Kjus, etc.) since I've never seen live specimens of these in Denver. While I'm leery about buying something via the web without knowing if they'll fit, I just may have to...help

A lot of higher quality companies make a short version but a lot of shops just don't order them, or only order 1 or 2. Try some better shops early in the season and you might find them. Mountain Hardware is one company cut for the shorter person. I found that out when my taller friends complained they were too short. Thier medium/reg fit my 29" inseam perfectly.

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10/31/08 at 1:58am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ski-ra

BTW - what the heck is a "ffrim Dulith Trading"?

http://www.duluthtrading.com/

High quality work wear.

I'm a horrible typist!

Stephen A. McDonald, C. Ped
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10/31/08 at 9:20am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by comprex

They pretty much all slip on Gore-Tex and even the off-name hard shell pants. This shouldn't be surprising: Gore-Tex is just about as slippery as your Teflon AFD.

GOR-TEX is a membrane, laminated inside fabrics. DWR is waterproofing which is a coating on the outside...so that's the slippery bit. Go to these websites to learn more: http://www.gore-tex.com/remote/Satellite/home http://www.grangersusa.com/Uniform.html

Ski-ra also has a short inseam and prefers suspenders. Below is a quote from the Jackets and Pants (

1 2 3 4) thread.

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...many technical pants are bib-style with suspenders. See: http://www.backcountry.com/store/group/223/Mens-Ski-Pants.html Arc'teryx pants are available in SHORT. The Marmot Randonnee pant is available in SHORT as well, and they're on sale. http://www.backcountry.com/store/MAR0903/Marmot-Randonnee-Pant-Mens.html

Hope this helps, good luck.

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10/31/08 at 10:10am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2-turn

A lot of higher quality companies make a short version but a lot of shops just don't order them, or only order 1 or 2. Try some better shops early in the season and you might find them. Mountain Hardware is one company cut for the shorter person. I found that out when my taller friends complained they were too short. Thier medium/reg fit my 29" inseam perfectly.

Lord knows I've looked. I've gone to or called most stores in Denver (they say they don't stock short anymore), did web searches, and checked websites. I called North Face since they list several suspendered models in short, but when you read the fine print it says "not available in this size" - they said "keep checking back".

The evidence has shown me that it is the "higher quality" companies that are abandoning the short-of-leg market (Patagonia is a perfect example). About the only two companies that I may be able to get a short suspendered model from are North Face and Spyder, but these are lower end models and I am worried that their Waterproofing technology (HyVent and Entrant GII) won't last a season.

Otherwise, I'll definitely try on a Mountain Hardwear model. Their website lists a small's inseam at 30" while I need a 28", but if the medium's listed 31" fits you at 29"...perhaps their tape measure is off by 2".

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10/31/08 at 11:05am

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Originally Posted by ski-ra

About the only two companies that I may be able to get a short suspendered model from are North Face and Spyder, but these are lower end models and I am worried that their Waterproofing technology (HyVent and Entrant GII) won't last a season.

My North Face pants with HyVent have lasted well for several years. They seemed to loose some water-proofness but when I washed them it all came back. Since then washing has been all that's been needed. I like them so much I bought a second pair on sale this year.

I slide.

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10/31/08 at 7:34pm

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Originally Posted by Posaune

My North Face pants with HyVent have lasted well for several years. I like them so much I bought a second pair on sale this year.

Thanks Posaune! That seems to agree with some other TNF HyVent posts that I've been able to find, contrary to the generally luke-warm reception that many EpicSkier posts seem to give TNF gear. Maybe it's because most TNF stuff doesn't enough vs. the current crop of Arcteryx, Cloudveil, etc. cachet brands

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10/31/08 at 7:51pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skier_j

I have an old pair of TNF pants that have loops in the pant and velcro on the ends of the suspenders---pass thru loop and stick to itself and thats the adjustment method as well.

any idea as to where i can find a pair of velcro suspenders for the loops in my pants?

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10/31/08 at 10:24pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ski-ra

...contrary to the generally luke-warm reception that many EpicSkier posts seem to give TNF gear. Maybe it's because most TNF stuff doesn't enough vs. the current crop of Arcteryx, Cloudveil, etc. cachet brands

.

The sarcasm intended by the above loses it whole meaning with when one lousy word is left out - it should have read:

Maybe it's because most TNF stuff doesn't COST enough vs. the current crop of Arcteryx, Cloudveil, etc. cachet brands Duh!

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10/31/08 at 10:30pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ski-ra

The sarcasm intended by the above loses it whole meaning with when one lousy word is left out - it should have read:

Maybe it's because most TNF stuff doesn't COST enough vs. the current crop of Arcteryx, Cloudveil, etc. cachet brands Duh!

ski-ra, you must be tired, or typin' real quick. I've made typos as well. I'm sure everyone understood what you were saying, at least I did...I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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11/1/08 at 3:06am

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Originally Posted by Yuki

I think you worry too much. I still use my ancient old alligator clip suspenders and my ancient Marmot pants are just fine.

+1

I got my Stihl suspenders at the local ranch store for $4.99. Big alligator-type clip. This will be season #9 for them. Not exactly ancient, but...

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11/1/08 at 10:56am

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Anyone knows of suspenders that clip to the belt loops?

A clarification to the question in the header: I am trying to attach suspenders on a particular pant. REI Shuksan (the new eVent model). I have always used suspended pants (my long-timefavorite is the Marmot Randonee, the old model was rumored to be designed with Doug Coombs' help and it shows). Unfortunately the bit the dust last season, and I since went on a bit of a ski pants quest, and so far have ended up with Cloudveil Koven Plus (nice, sturdy, high-backed pants that have suspenders) and the REI Shuksan. Kovens are nice, but unfortunately they are what I call "hot pants", the thick fabric is very unbreathable and it gets very warm at Tahoe. I have higher hopes for e-Vent, hence my suspenders problem for the Shuksans. I am not sure how well the REI pants will work (they look relly well-designed and made, but I have not done the snow test yet), so I would prefer to find a solution that does not use duct tape just yet.

Alex

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11/1/08 at 11:09am

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I found suspenders at Wally World that have plastic clips that connect to your belt. I hate the look of belt and suspenders, however, they do hold your pants up and they don't disconnect easily.

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11/1/08 at 2:51pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2-turn

Mountain Hardware is one company cut for the shorter person. I found that out when my taller friends complained they were too short. Thier medium/reg fit my 29" inseam perfectly.

To hopefully end my

....

Just looked at the Mountain Hardware Exposure Bib (not necessarily the model I would buy), but the inseam on the small measured nearly 30-1/2". That's pretty typical for a regular length pant (which means that I would be engaging the pants with the boots into my bindings). Oh well! Maybe it's just that model or they had a run of some shorter pants when you bought yours.

I won't completely repeat the information I've posted on the "Jackets and Pants" thread covering my challenge from a different persepective. In short I will hopefully be ending my search by purchasing the one small/short pant (the Varius Guide) TNF has available (only from their website). It uses HyVent, which may not be my preferred waterproofing choice, but it does get higher marks on EpicSkier posts than that of my only other apparent choice - the Spyder Tarantula.

Hopefully that's the end of this tale - thanks for all the help and the use of this post.

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11/1/08 at 3:06pm

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What about belts? I picked up a pair of Helly Hansens and a pair of Bogners that I got at clearance sales fro great prices, and they have belt loops. They're both that "almost while, a little maybe silver" kinda color. Where can I find an appropriate belt for them?

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11/1/08 at 7:03pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ski-ra

To hopefully end my

....

Just looked at the Mountain Hardware Exposure Bib (not necessarily the model I would buy), but the inseam on the small measured nearly 30-1/2". That's pretty typical for a regular length pant (which means that I would be engaging the pants with the boots into my bindings). Oh well! Maybe it's just that model or they had a run of some shorter pants when you bought yours.

I won't completely repeat the information I've posted on the "Jackets and Pants" thread covering my challenge from a different persepective. In short I will hopefully be ending my search by purchasing the one small/short pant (the Varius Guide) TNF has available (only from their website). It uses HyVent, which may not be my preferred waterproofing choice, but it does get higher marks on EpicSkier posts than that of my only other apparent choice - the Spyder Tarantula.

Hopefully that's the end of this tale - thanks for all the help and the use of this post.

We're glad we could help...happy sliding!

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11/2/08 at 3:34am

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Ski-ra, check the below link out. I bought the medium waist/short length (last one) and they fit me fine with enough room to tuck in a base layer + a 100 wt. fleece (I needed 33 waist, 29 inseam).

http://www.climbhighoutlet.com/view/?tx_commerce_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=344&tx_commerce_pi1% 5BcatUid%5D=54&cHash=9c0f5a5057

Note, I have no affiliation, whatsoever, with the seller. I know how tough it is to find ski pants in short lengths.

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11/2/08 at 7:26am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ski the East

Ski-ra, check the below link out. I bought the medium waist/short length (last one) and they fit me fine with enough room to tuck in a base layer + a 100 wt. fleece (I needed 33 waist, 29 inseam).

http://www.climbhighoutlet.com/view/...ash=9c0f5a5057

Note, I have no affiliation, whatsoever, with the seller. I know how tough it is to find ski pants in short lengths.

Ski-ra prefers a pant with suspenders not a bib. The Arc'Teryx Thea SK pants above are very nice, but not his style. He decided on the TNF Varius Guide pant. He ordered them yesterday, hopefully they'll be perfect.

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11/2/08 at 9:37am

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Duct tape....

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