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Originally Posted by carver_hk
 Just curious. Because carving turn obviously bend the skis significantly. Rebound can be easily seen as come from the bended skis. In short turns it doesn't look very bended. I figure that it is very possible to get some bending due to the underfoot pressure compressing the snow underneath. So the question is where else can we get rebound in short turns. And is resultant rebound significant to be useful in short turn? Thanks in advance for any contribution.
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho
Heck Yes, you can rebound them right off the snow if you want to. Don't know if this meets new skiing tactics but pressure the tails coming out of a turn and you can rebound them quite a bit. Like I said don't know if this is ok with the new gurus but it sure is fun.
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Originally Posted by slider
That's what I'm talking about.
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Originally Posted by Mac
So logic would dictate that a turn started by an early weight shift to the outside ski along with a strong tipping action will generate a highly edged, strongly loaded and bent outside ski that takes full advantage of the skis built in turning design that will generate the most rebound when the ski is released to start the next turn.
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho
The only ski I could not do this with was a pair of VO Slaloms K2, Mahre ski's. They were so stiff I could bend as hard as I could and they were still straight - no rebound at all and darn it I though they'd make me a Slalom killer. Oh Well.
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Originally Posted by T-Square
How do you do a short radius turn without bending your skis? Anytime you place a ski on edge its going to bend. A ski is not going to change direction of movement without being placed on edge.
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Originally Posted by T-Square
How do you do a short radius turn without bending your skis? Anytime you place a ski on edge its going to bend. A ski is not going to change direction of movement without being placed on edge.
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Originally Posted by Ghost
HK, I'm not sure what kind of a turn you are talking about; if it is not carved and it is not brushed, what is it?
You can have part of the ski carving while the other part is not, and when playing with rebound this often happens. Let's not forget that the virtual bump can add quite a bit to the sensation of rebound. |
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Originally Posted by Ghost
HK, I'm not sure what kind of a turn you are talking about; if it is not carved and it is not brushed, what is it?
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Originally Posted by Rick
The amount of rebound depends on the amount of energy stored in the ski. If carving, the more you tip the more the ski bends and the sharper/shorter it turns, and the more rebound energy you put into the ski which gets released at the end of the turn. How much that rebound energy acts to launch/lighten the skier depends on how they transition. Do they attempt to use the energy, or do they attempt to squelch it and stay connected to the snow. Both are options that can be done. When attempting to use it you can even intensify it by administering an aggressive push down just prior to release.
When not carving, rebound energy falls. The skis are at lower edge angles, theres less bend, the speeds are lower, and rebound is thus muted. Not so if pivoting into a carve. Less so if pivot/steering into a bottom of the turn momentary carve engagement. It's all about how much the ski is bent and loaded just prior to release. The top of the turn does not paint the picture like the bottom does. |
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Originally Posted by Rick
The amount of rebound depends on the amount of energy stored in the ski. If carving, the more you tip the more the ski bends and the sharper/shorter it turns, and the more rebound energy you put into the ski which gets released at the end of the turn. How much that rebound energy acts to launch/lighten the skier depends on how they transition. Do they attempt to use the energy, or do they attempt to squelch it and stay connected to the snow. Both are options that can be done. When attempting to use it you can even intensify it by administering an aggressive push down just prior to release.
When not carving, rebound energy falls. The skis are at lower edge angles, theres less bend, the speeds are lower, and rebound is thus muted. Not so if pivoting into a carve. Less so if pivot/steering into a bottom of the turn momentary carve engagement. It's all about how much the ski is bent and loaded just prior to release. The top of the turn does not paint the picture like the bottom does. |
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Originally Posted by HKSkier
Rick,
Please elaborate on these 2 points you made as pertaining to the sentence before that: 1) Not so if pivoting into a carve 2) Less so if pivot/steering into a bottom of the turn momentary carve engagement Thanks. |
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Originally Posted by Rick
In a turn that pivots directly into a carve, if it's done well, little speed is lost and strong ski bend and energy is taken into the bottom/end of the turn. Rebound energy does not drop off.
In a steered or pivot entry steered turn that contains just a breif carve engagement at the end of the turn, speed can reduced significantly, depending on the nature of the steering being done. A drop in speed reduces the ski loading forces present in the turn, and thus the potential rebound at the end of the turn. |
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