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I've read on this forum or the gear review forum that a particular ski has the specific feel to that specific brand. For example, in the "05/06 Dynastar Contact Limited Edition - Anyone Familiar? " thread the below was posted:

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Nice ski, pretty versatile, definitely more groomer oriented but OK in 6" of fresh. They have the Dynastar "feel".
Can anyone describe what the Dynastar "feel" is and what is the "feel" for other ski manufacturers?
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Dynastar's remind me of the ride of an old Pontiac, damp, smooth, but not dead. Atomics seem on average to feel more solid, like a rock (right up to speed limit). Rossis are similar to Dynastar but a little softer and springier. Fischer's feel more high strung with more snap and feel lighter and livelier but surprisingly still under control at high speed. My Vollants Machetes feel like a Caddy at medium speeds and quite lively beyond that.
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Dynastar's remind me of the ride of an old Pontiac, damp, smooth, but not dead. Atomics seem on average to feel more solid, like a rock (right up to speed limit). Rossis are similar to Dynastar but a little softer and springier. Fischer's feel more high strung with more snap and feel lighter and livelier but surprisingly still under control at high speed. My Vollants Machetes feel like a Caddy at medium speeds and quite lively beyond that.
I have to disagree (just a bit though)

Dynastar=Light lively lots of solid "road feel" ala BMW, Porche etc.

Atomic= More or less agree

Rossi= Damp less enthuisastic.

Volant=Ground Huggers

K2= Can you possibly make a ski anymore lifeless

Volkl= Dynastar feel with Atomic sturdiness.

Anyone else?

Coup

Please feel free to contact me about anything related to Dynastar/Lange/Look, if I don't know the answer I'll find someone who does.

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Ze Dynastars are French, zo zey feel voluptous and sensual with a touch of spice, no? Ze Rossingnols with zee Velveeta cores are a great disgrace. Dead! Ze Austrian skies are strong, solid and very stable, but ultimatly boring. What happens when a French ski mates with an Austrian ski? Viola, zee Mantra!
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I have to disagree (just a bit though)

Dynastar=Light lively lots of solid "road feel" ala BMW, Porche etc.

Atomic= More or less agree

Rossi= Damp less enthuisastic.

Volant=Ground Huggers

K2= Can you possibly make a ski anymore lifeless

Volkl= Dynastar feel with Atomic sturdiness.

Anyone else?

Coup
Dynastar - snap, crackle and pop all the way down the fall line.

Atomic - yawn, ahh, well, ahhh, yawn, errr, what was the question?

Rossi - ought to be ashamed of themselves (B2 particularly) after all the great skis in their history. Ponderous is the word I use.

Volant - you need more than a touch of grey to appreciate. Slow, and well, slow.

K2 - their latest skis are barely better than my 6 year old Axispro's - The Recon is a real offender. The Chief is good as a big ski.

Volkl - Smoother than Dynastar (less chatter) but without the snappiness

Nordica - Some really good (Top Fuel), some not-so-good (Jet Fuel). Feel a lot like Volkl.

Head - Better than K2 - Rossi, not as good as Volkl, Nordica, no comparison to Dynastar.

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feel 'em up...

I definitely think manufacturers have a distict feel and traits,

I've pulled a paragraph from my post on my second impressions of the fisher watea 94 where i go down that path...

"On general feel, as a guy who has spent quite a bit of time on solid stiff skis like nordica (both top fuel 178 2 yrs ago and Jet fuel 170 last year) and stockli (SS 178 and stormrider xl 174 the year before) I usually don't like airy feeling skis. Dawgcatching said the watea 84 felt atomic-like in its lightness and since I'm not a fan of the atomic feel at all, I don't think the 94 feels like that. I understand where that impression comes from, but it doesn't feel like an atomc to me. It has a good solid wood core feel, while being a bit livelier and softer then many of the others out there right now (ie; volkl, nordica, stockli, head)."

So,
seems i'm w/ the consensus on rossi, foam core oddness

can't agree w/ snofun on Nordica, in that the JF and TF are the same exact construction, just different shapes. after owing both for over a year, same feel, different focus.

volant, always loved the quiet steel, but slow and damp are good discriptions, just not always bad.

never had a dynastar i liked, even though i do think the feel is smooth. they are usually straighter in their all mt skis then i like. the half cap, half vert sidewall period was total confusion (and they still make some of them)

Atomic, airy, but stiff, almost so mechanical they lack real feel

Austrian and german skis, solid, stiff, predictable. not usually too playful.
Volkl, i have to admit, that i have had 2 bad experiences in a row that has beaten up on my volkl impression, the 724 pro and the mantra were both too stiff and independent minded for my liking. (now their tennis rackets, there's some serious feel...)

Stockli, solid, predictable, precise conform to the snow well, but usually demanding and stiff.

Fisher, seems they are often changing directions in the last 10 years, so changable feel. i've had 4 fishers and all of them were quite different.

I guess i went from feel to some traits, but i'm easily distracted.

It seems I'm a bit negative here, it's amazing i have 2 activce positive ski reviews.

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Top of the line skis = Litre bikes
Atomic = Kawasaki
Dynastar = Honda
Salomon = Yamaha
Fischer = Suzuki
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I guess it depends under what conditions you normally ski. A ski can have a totally different feel on different surfaces.

K2, Rossi, Salomon frontside and all mountain skis - All three make decent soft snow skis but their fronstide skis leave a lot to be desired IMO. If one word would come to mind I would say relatively easy and forgiving. Average to below edge grip ,mellow, damp, very low energy, low rebound, almost dead feelling. Not the most stable skis. I think K2, Rossignol, and Salmon make skis you either love or hate. Heavier skiers probably hate them. There are exceptions and I am leaving out the race lines. If you enjoy mellow cruising and want a no-surprise type of ski then you would enjoy rossi, K2, or salomon fronstide skis. The less energetic and most boring of the 3 probably is rossi. Thats just my opinion though.

K2 backside and freestyle: These can be Quite nice in soft snow conditions and powder. Again, not the liveliest skis, but they have a light feel with decent swing weight and nice flex profiles. They do make a few gems. IMO The K2 Public Enemy is probably one of the best(and most overlooked) skis out there in the freestyle/light powder category. The Salomon Foil, and Rossi Scratch are also fairly decent but IMO the PE is the better all-arounder.

Dynastar: Rossignol on caffeine. IMO very similar feel to Rossi but more energetic and better edge grip and more stable.

Volant, Stockli, Elan, Scott, Goode, and all botique skis : Never skied one.

Atomic, Volk, Nordica frontside skis- In short not the best skis for skidders. All three lines feel very similar IMO and generally are for speed freaks, high energy skiers, and/or heavier skiers. Beefy, Stout, Stiff, and lively. Very stable and smooth with excellant edge grip. Highly energetic with loads of energy and rebound. Volk probably has the best edges in the industry IMO and their edge technology is no marketing ploy. Although there are skis for the beginner and intermediate in the lineups, the majority of the models need to be skied and not ridden on. Higher end models are very, very unforgiving. In general you have to work them, whereas the K2's and rossis you can get lazy. Volk has the best backside skis IMO - they retain the stout features of the frontside skis but are perfectly manageable.

Fischer: My personal favorites. Very very lively, light, and energetic - sometimes hyper quick edge-to-edge, depending on the model. The 175 RX8 is the best frontside recreational ski I have been on. It's like riding on springs. Almost as good edge grip as the Volk's but they weigh less and are more fun IMO. Crappy backside skis - lifeless and boring. Fischer is all about hard snow.

In short if you enjoy skiing with power and energy you will enjoy Atomic, Volkl, Nordica, or Fischer. If you are a lightweight and/or enjoy relaxed skiing and gentle crusiing you will probably prefer K2, Rossi, or Salomon. Again there are a few exceptions and I have left out the race lines.
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Mojo - where would you place Head ?
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I have only been on a few. My impression was stable but low on the 'fun' factor. Decent edge grip but not as energetic as the other Austrian skis. Very good crud busting type skis. I prefer a more energetic profile. I am sure they have some. I just havent been on one.
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Just be forewarned that these "feels" are not universal to a line, and sometimes we get a real surprise. The Salomon X-Wing series were such a surprise last year: light, lively, powerful, but friendly. A stark contrast to the damp and almost dead Salomons that had been typical.

Sometimes new technology can change a feel, too. Head's piezo chip, for instance, seemed to take a ski that was just coming alive and turn it into a dead 2x4 on my feet.

Also, I don't see these "feels" as "good" or "bad", but for different people. Interestingly, the folks I've skied with in France (mostly folks from the UK) tend to prefer the damp feel of a typical French ski. Most racers I know prefer the greater feel and energy of a typical Austrian ski. Try 'em out and see what you prefer...

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Just be forewarned that these "feels" are not universal to a line, and sometimes we get a real surprise. The Salomon X-Wing series were such a surprise last year: light, lively, powerful, but friendly. A stark contrast to the damp and almost dead Salomons that had been typical.

Sometimes new technology can change a feel, too. Head's piezo chip, for instance, seemed to take a ski that was just coming alive and turn it into a dead 2x4 on my feet.

Also, I don't see these "feels" as "good" or "bad", but for different people. Interestingly, the folks I've skied with in France (mostly folks from the UK) tend to prefer the damp feel of a typical French ski. Most racers I know prefer the greater feel and energy of a typical Austrian ski. Try 'em out and see what you prefer...
I aggree. There are exceptions but I tend to think the manufacturers do have a profile.

It's been 3 years since I was on a Salomon. Perhaps they have changed. I just remember they all seemed to have the same profile - damp and lifeless with questionable edgehold above 25mph - almost scary at speed.
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I found a big difference between Salomon streetracers and Salomon Equipes.

The speeds you go also influence the feel on some skis. Atomi SX10 or 11 offer little snow feel and seem dead until you get some speed up. With some speed they still feel solid, but lively. Interestingly, when I tried both skis back to back the Atomic SX10 felt safer at medium speeds than the Salomon Equipe SCs, but I was able to make the Equipe SCs do the turns I wanted at speeds that had the SX10s useless even though it felt riskier (The SX11 dusted them both in the speed department).

My Vollant Machete Gs may not be typical, but they have totally different personalities when going slow to medium speeds and when pushing them hard. They become very lively when driven hard enough to induce significant bending in them.

My old Kästle SGs fell line 4x4s until you get them up to about 40 mph, then they come alive.
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MojoMan ... Stockli ... is a boutique ski ... :

Well, not exactly ...

Stockli offered the only straight sidewall skis that were still hand made in an era where that cap ski crap was the only thing you could buy unless you had an "in" at the race department.

A bit expensive .. and hard to find ... for certain and those Swizz baztads couldn't care less.

My Stockli GS & SL ... were light years ahead of ... but then they weren't necessarily ahead ... they just refused to switch over to mass produced pop out boutique crap like the Atomic and Volkl that had the name .... from when they used to make great skis.

Watch the WC guys switch the skis they hold up for the cameras ... those my man are "boutique" skis.
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I aggree. There are exceptions but I tend to think the manufacturers do have a profile.

It's been 3 years since I was on a Salomon. Perhaps they have changed. I just remember they all seemed to have the same profile - damp and lifeless with questionable edgehold above 25mph - almost scary at speed.
That's what I'm saying. The old Salomon "profile" doesn't apply to the X-Wing series. As Ghost notes, too, how you ski, how hard you push them, and even the length of the ski will change the "profile" for you, too.

I know how you felt about the Salomons. I would have agreed. But after skiing the X-Wings, I would argue that's not the case. They are light, lively, hold well at speed, and would be great all-around skis. I think the wider ones would make exceptionally nice AT skis, too.

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Great thread! Here is my take:

Atomic: light, lively, pretty stiff, very laterally stiff. They feel almost like floating over the snow, with a muscular feel, not really a ton of snow feel. I haven't liked too many, as most seem to be pretty aggressive for my weight. On-piste skis work better for me than their wider stuff.

Blizzard: only skied a few, but seem like a bit softer, more energetic Austrian power ski (when compared to some of the beefy stuff, like Nordica). Similiar in feel to Volkl and Elan. I tend to like them.

Dynastar: Definitely "French" in feel. Damp and smooth, but with a bit of pop and quite a bit of stability for their given "ease of use". Tend to work well in all types of skis. Great example of an "everymans" ski that has more energy than K2 or Rossi.

Elan: until recently, was very close in feel to Volkl: muscular, but not as stiff, great snow feel, and lighter/more nimble compared to some of the Austrian skis, with more energy. The new Mag 12 and 14 feel very close to a Nordica Jet Fuel, which is no surprise, considering that Elan makes those Nordicas at their factory. They are definitely stiffer and very muscular. I nearly always like their skis, and the race stuff works well for me, too.

Fischer: not a uniform feel. Some, like the Progressor and Cold Heat, feel powerful, stiff and are direct descendants of their race skis. Others, like the RX8 Fire and Watea series, are much lighter in feel, a bit more playful, and very forgiving. I have had good luck with them in general.

Head: a bit more damp, very stable and powerful, but not as much energy (excluding the new Xenon). Most of their skis feel more GS than SL in terms of energy, even the slalom-oriented models like the Supershape. This gives them great predictability and stability, but they aren't always the most exciting ski. Very "Austrian". I tend to like them, although I would prefer that their frontside models had a bit more energy.

K2: smooth, damp, forgiving, lack of energy. Some would call them "old-man's skis" and although I wouldn't go that far, I would say they are most similair to a big Cadillac boat than anything else out there. Perfect for the cruiser. I am talking mostly about the Apache line, not the twin-tip stuff. Not my cup of tea, but they have plenty of fans. A real "everymans" ski.

Nordica: very powerful skis, fairly stiff. I don't always have luck with their top-end stuff, and much of their race product is too stiff for me. Great skis though. Feel alot like the Elan Mag 12 and 14; as they share a similair wood core. I love several of their models, just not the stuff with alot of metal. Really, really "solid" feel, with lots of snow feedback.

Rossi: similair to K2: not much going on there in terms of energy, but smooth and typically high performance. Their off-piste stuff rates better (which is okay if it is smooth and stable) but their carving skis have no life to them. I have never skied a Rossi that really thrilled me.

Stockli: powerful skis, not too dissimilar to the Austrian brands. I haven't skied enough of them to make an accurate judgement.

Salomon: until recently, in that smooth, damp, nearly lifeless category. Now, a bit more aggressive and performance-oriented (with the X-wing series) but still forgiving for a wide range of skiers. Maybe more toward the Fischer Watea and Dynastar feel. I haven't tried many of the X-wing models yet.

Volkl: similar in feel to Elan; muscular, powerful, fairly aggressive, but can be handled by a lighter skier as well. Nice energy, good snow feel. I have liked most Volkl's I have tried.

Note: this is a huge generalization! Specific skis may differ from these opinions. Don't be offended if I have insulted your chosen ski! There is nothing wrong with brands that go after a more recreational, cruising-oriented skier; there is, in fact, many more of those skiers around than they are ex-racers or people who ski 50 days a year.
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Some time ago when Peter Keelty was writing for AMI On the Snow he did a series on ski brand "flavors" that was quite good. Unfortunately, the links no longer seem to work.

Based on conversations with others and some very limited demoing, I think that his observations were pretty accurate at that time and still have some value. Keelty maintained, for example, that Salomon skis could still be identified in a "blind" test which no longer seems to be the case. In recent years, a variety of different materials and constructions have been employed by manufacturers which can broaden the range of "flavors" offered by a particular brand, so to speak.

As others have pointed out, It's not as easy now to assign a single "flavor" to a brand as it once was. Fischer, which I'm most familiar with, produces skis with several quite different types of wood core constructions and also produces ski cores of carbon and carbon/wood not to mention lay-ups including different combinations of other materials like titanal, carbon fiber etc.

Fischer has long been identified as having a "light" and "smooth" feel (at least as far as Teutonic skis go). This remains a pretty accurate description IMO, but few would have described any of its skis as "playful", "lively", or snappy five years ago or so.
I guess we will need to develop more sophisticated palates now. :
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Manufacturers also offer more flavors now w/in their lines.

Elan: A 888 or 999 is much different than a Magfire.

K2: A Recon was no where near the feel of a Seth

Atomic: Sweet and Snoop Daddys were not like a Metron.
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Manufacturers also offer more flavors now w/in their lines.

Elan: A 888 or 999 is much different than a Magfire.

K2: A Recon was no where near the feel of a Seth

Atomic: Sweet and Snoop Daddys were not like a Metron.
Blizzard: The Titan line is nothing like the IQ line

Volkl: Unlimited line is a very distant cousin to the Free line

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MojoMan ... Stockli ... is a boutique ski ... :

Well, not exactly ...

Stockli offered the only straight sidewall skis that were still hand made in an era where that cap ski crap was the only thing you could buy unless you had an "in" at the race department.

A bit expensive .. and hard to find ... for certain and those Swizz baztads couldn't care less.

My Stockli GS & SL ... were light years ahead of ... but then they weren't necessarily ahead ... they just refused to switch over to mass produced pop out boutique crap like the Atomic and Volkl that had the name .... from when they used to make great skis.

Watch the WC guys switch the skis they hold up for the cameras ... those my man are "boutique" skis.
I was saying I have never skied Stockli, Elan,...AND all botique skis. I wasnt saying Stockli was a botique ski. Also, I have never skied a Blizzard
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I just get a little miffed when I see them characterized in the "boutique" category.

Some skis like LaCroix were often sold in the "upscale" market to the rich & famous crowd for bragging rights and elitetist appeal and they were big $$ skis.

Actually the MSRP is about the same at the upper end Volkl stuff so they weren't that pricey, but people would comment like "how can you afford those" .. ???

Call them a cult ski maybe cause the people who are now on Stockli's after trying my stuff .... they are more like Jimmi Swaggart converts who just found religion. Ski Magazine used to leave them out of their testing because they didn't advertise in the US, making them even more of a mystery brand. They just make such good high performance gear from the upper intermediate, race and high performance (Stormriders), if you ever get a chance to demo them jump on it.
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I just get a little miffed when I see them characterized in the "boutique" category.

Some skis like LaCroix were often sold in the "upscale" market to the rich & famous crowd for bragging rights and elitetist appeal and they were big $$ skis.

Actually the MSRP is about the same at the upper end Volkl stuff so they weren't that pricey, but people would comment like "how can you afford those" .. ???

Call them a cult ski maybe cause the people who are now on Stockli's after trying my stuff .... they are more like Jimmi Swaggart converts who just found religion. Ski Magazine used to leave them out of their testing because they didn't advertise in the US, making them even more of a mystery brand. They just make such good high performance gear from the upper intermediate, race and high performance (Stormriders), if you ever get a chance to demo them jump on it.
Yeah, they are Lawyer and Doctor skis.
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Dynastar - snap, crackle and pop all the way down the fall line.

Atomic - yawn, ahh, well, ahhh, yawn, errr, what was the question?

Rossi - ought to be ashamed of themselves (B2 particularly) after all the great skis in their history. Ponderous is the word I use.

Volant - you need more than a touch of grey to appreciate. Slow, and well, slow.

K2 - their latest skis are barely better than my 6 year old Axispro's - The Recon is a real offender. The Chief is good as a big ski.

Volkl - Smoother than Dynastar (less chatter) but without the snappiness

Nordica - Some really good (Top Fuel), some not-so-good (Jet Fuel). Feel a lot like Volkl.

Head - Better than K2 - Rossi, not as good as Volkl, Nordica, no comparison to Dynastar.
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to those guys who say K2 are dead arent skiing on their great factory team twin tips that have very good mix of dampness in crud and energy. The normal K2s are just plain crap IMO.

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Good Stuff. My .02

The car metaphors work well.

First a disagree - "Volant - you need more than a touch of grey to appreciate. Slow, and well, slow."
No No No. Think Cadillac STS. Easy on the behind but with a corvette engine. HEAVY. Stable. Fun for the high speed corduroy cruiser. Get out there for the first chair and get on the gas until the crowds descend. If someone skies over your Volant's, stab them in the eye with your pole. HINT! A Scotchbrite pad will bring dull volants back to a lovely shine! Scrub in ONE direction - lengthwise.

Fischer - sports car. Demanding but with an advanced traction control system. My fav. Note - they sure do not like to go slow. The SL ski is exhausting but fun!

Atomic - same but traction control turned off.

Blizzard. Hmmm...raced on Ti a few years ago. Seem like they are lighter weight (?). Similar "snap" to Fisch bur not as much "bite." That make sense? Mine have a very beefy plate.
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I just get a little miffed when I see them characterized in the "boutique" category.

Some skis like LaCroix were often sold in the "upscale" market to the rich & famous crowd for bragging rights and elitetist appeal and they were big $$ skis.

Actually the MSRP is about the same at the upper end Volkl stuff so they weren't that pricey, but people would comment like "how can you afford those" .. ???

Call them a cult ski maybe cause the people who are now on Stockli's after trying my stuff .... they are more like Jimmi Swaggart converts who just found religion. Ski Magazine used to leave them out of their testing because they didn't advertise in the US, making them even more of a mystery brand. They just make such good high performance gear from the upper intermediate, race and high performance (Stormriders), if you ever get a chance to demo them jump on it.
From what I know from second hand accounts they are outstanding skis, but IMO Stockli has a bunch of strikes against them in North America(especially the US). For one, I have never been on one because they are hard to find, especially in demo shops. I have never seen stockli in the demo selections - come to think of it I rarely, if ever, see them in shops. For most skiers they are mail-order skis you buy from an internet retailer - at cost. Also, like Nordica, they seem to always be on the pricey side with even the prior year models not marking down much. With bindings your looking at a nice chunk of change - even the 2006/07 low end sinox is going for $650. Given the high price point I would not purchase one without a test ride and that is not a possibility. I don't think Stockli cares much about the US market.
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Exactly, hence my comment on the ... Swizz Baztards ....

Small and very conservative company who are not going to go nuts and ramp up production and sacrifice quality to chase the "big boys" and risk loss of control to someone like AMF (remember the bowling ball company that ruined Head and Harley).

Deals can be had but you have to hunt for them.

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Hello all,

i have recently turned back to skiing after some years away from the mountains , and have been at the dirty and toxic end of the industry most of adult life. I dont really subscribe to different brand feels, rather factory feels, i produced high end custom skis and boards some time ago and treated the art like violin making rather than sausage making. I got prettty good at feeling a ski and predicting its construction, then tearing it open.... 9 ot of 10 correct is pretty good! people get bored when you start talking about visco-elastic creep of the resins though....

i have been told my product defnitely felt a particular way rergardless of model or type. Its worth noting the one thing factories will almost never change over time is the adhesive (epoxy) and this has unique personality in my opinion. It requires the most r nd cost to change so when you are onto a good and known thing, it becomes your blood, so to speak.

 

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i have been told my product defnitely felt a particular way rergardless of model or type. Its worth noting the one thing factories will almost never change over time is the adhesive (epoxy) and this has unique personality in my opinion. It requires the most r nd cost to change so when you are onto a good and known thing, it becomes your blood, so to speak.

 

 

Very interesting perspective, and makes sense on many levels.  Thank you.

 

Do you know if the adhesives for large manufacturers are off-the-shelf, or custom-formulated?

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Head Liquid Metal really does feel wet. Kinda like a magic carpet ride.

 

Feel was the main reason I switched from Rossi (first bandit series) to Volkl (Vertigo series). Much more supple with a more predictable edge.

 

Now that I just ski pow, shape and flex is more important than feel so I don't worry about it anymore.

 

But again, as far as hard snow is concerned, nothing beats Head. It's like riding a drop of mercury.

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