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How to get cheap airfare

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anyone got any good tricks on finding cheap airfair......i really doubt my 150 pound ass is using 300$ in jet fuel. i heard standby is no longer really cheap. im willing to wait around the airport for hours, travel at insane times.....carry hazmats, animals, valueable, in addition to my ski luggage. im just looking for insanely cheap prices...to reno, slc, denver, vail eagle, BC, from newark, philly, laguardia, long island, jfk. help im a poor skier!
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it's a tough year...all my flights out west were over 500 bucks and I spent a long time researching each one. it's easier to economize on other aspects of the trip...for example you can get cheaper lift tix in Utah...cheal lodging in south lake tahoe, cheap season passes to heavenly...
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yeah i have economized every other possible aspect of the trip im paying dirt for hotel/lifts/car its just that damn airfare....im thinking about putting myself in a box and overnighting myself.....
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Bingers,

I fly about 80+ times per year for my job. I use a website called farecompare.com. Also there is a great site for information about hotels and airlines called flytalker.com I have found some great fares all over the US, England , France and last month I was able to fly to Germany for 500.00 in Business class.
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i was able to find Boston -> Denver for $220 roundtrip..... you've just got to be flexible with your dates.
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Yeah, farecompare.com is great for putting in your origination point and finding what's cheap to various destinations. Travelocity has a similar feature called "Dream Maps" which can help you bag cheap fares sometimes too.

flyertalk.com (which I think is what coldfeet meant, not flyertalkER.com) is a great resource for learning how to play the frequent flyer programs to the hilt. You can find info about good "mistake fares" there that are good for mileage runs.

But flyertalk is not a "how do I get a good deal on airfare" site at all, and in fact asking that type of question would be a violation of their terms of service. It would also be like going to TGR and asking about the best green trails at a resort. What those of us FlyerTalkers like to find as "good" mistake fares often have multiple stops deliberately so we can earn extra miles to get "elite" status with airlines. They're not "good" in any normal sense of the word! Thus deals like flying from Denver to Kansas City via Salt Lake City and Atlanta, something nobody in their right mind would do if they really wanted to get to KC. But I earned some 10,000 frequent flyer miles and requalified as "elite" on one of my airlines from $98 fares that let me do that. So you can learn about deals, but they're not likely to be the kind of deals that will get you out west to ski.

Farecompare is great. Also even some of the fare "aggregator" sites like kayak.com do searches of all the major and smaller airlines, all the online booking sites, etc. Good way to find out what's out there. Of the "main" airfare booking sites, Orbitz.com has in my opinion the best fare comparison displays and presents the most flight options, including some that the airlines' own websites doen't always show.

Sometimes flying the airline that does NOT go non-stop to your destination is cheaper, sometimes the other way around. I also have found a lot of $220 fares nonstop on United Denver-Boston, which I do pretty regularly. But last summer, when United was charging $450 for that route, I was finding $218 fares on American all the time with one stop either in Dallas or Chicago. So getting from NYC to SLC might be most direct on Delta, since SLC is a hub for them and they have lots of nonstops. But maybe on a given day, a one-stop on a non-hub airline such as American NYC (EWR, JFK, or LGA) to Dallas to SLC might be cheaper, or Northwest with a hop through Minneapolis or Detroit.

Standby is not cheaper at all - the idea of "discounted standby" disappeared years ago. In fact some airlines (US Airways) charge you to standby!

Play around some with various dates you'd think about going, on Orbitz, Kayak, and Farecompare, and see what's out there. If you find an attractive fare, go for it.

Make sure you're earning miles for free tickets too, whenever you fly on a paid ticket: NEVER NEVER NEVER get on a plane without getting frequent flyer miles for the trip, even if you think "I'll never get enough miles fora free trip". If you don't sign up for a mileage program, you're guaranteeing you'll never get it.

Also "don't spread it around" - you only need to sign up for a total of 3 frequent flyer programs to cover all 6 major US airlines, and it's foolish to be an active member of all 6. 10,000 miles in Delta and 10,000 miles in Continental and 5000 miles in Northwest gets you absolutely nothing, even though you've flown 25,000 miles which is enough for free (capacity controlled, plan months in advance) ticket. But those same 25,000 miles flown as 10,000 on Delta planes, 10,000 on Continental planes, and 5,000 miles on Northwest planes but all booked to the same ONE frequent flyer number on just one of those three airlines gets you a free ticket US/Canada on any one of those three. Why? Because they are all partners in an "airline alliance" called Skyteam.

Skyteam (in US): Northwest, Delta, Continental. Pick one program, join that, and credit all your miles when you check in to that one program. In my case I use Northwest's program and give my Northwest number to Delta and to Continental when I fly them. I just flew to South America free on Delta using Northwest miles that I mostly earned flying Delta and Continental.

Star Alliance (in North America): United, US Airways, Air Canada. Pick one program, join that. Give that number to any of them (and their European or Asian partners) when you fly. In my case I use United's program even though about 25% of the miles I earned on United were from flying US Airways when they were cheaper. Lisamarie and I are flying to Portillo in August free, in Business class no less, on a mix of Air Canada, United, and Swiss airlines from United miles earned from paid tickets on United, US Airways, Air Canada, and Lufthansa. If I had spread those miles over United, US, AC, and Lufthansa's separate programs, I wouldn't have enough for even one coach ticket at all, never mind two in Business clase. But by dumping them all in to one program, we're going in style for free.

oneworld alliance (in North America): only American Airlines. But they do partner up with several other airlines in Mexico, South American, Europe, Asia, Australia. Join one program (probably AA since you're in the States, but in my case I perversely am earning on their South American partner LAN), and use that number whenever you fly AA, LAN, Qantas, etc. I'm about 2/3 of the way to another free coach South American trip (Las Lenas next year maybe?) using a LAN award, but most of the miles were earned flying on American Airlines here in the States.

From the amount you're saying you want to travel for skiing, if you pick one alliance and only one program in that alliance, you should be able to bag a free ticket at least every couple of years. Sooner if you also earn miles on the same airline from using their credit card, renting cars using their FF#, giving that FF# when using their partner hotels, using the shopping mall links on the airline's FF website, never sending flowers without getting frequent flyer miles, etc.

Nice thing is, bagging the miles for the occassional free ticket is totally combinable with getting cheap paid fares from searching on Farecompare or Kayak. However if you use Priceline you won't get miles, and you won't know your airline until you pay for your ticket.

Final comment: Don't believe the Capital One ads about how you can't get free tickets from airline frequent flyer programs - they're just trying to sell you on their card and "psuedo-frequent flyer program" which is much worse than being in a "real" airline frequent flyer program. Plan in advance, earn lots of miles from flying and from everyday spending, and you'll do fine. You probably can't use miles on a ski trip ticket for next week. But I'll guarantee you that with some flexibility you can use miles right now to book a trip somewhere you want to go next December. If you earn the miles smartly.
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MarkXS.

Great post - lots of good info for any Frequent flyer.

Your right, it is flyertalk.com. I hate when I do that.

Bingers,
Granted you may get a bit of flack from the old timers about asking a question just like you get here at Epic. But there are many that will help with newbie questions.
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...all my flights out west were over 500 bucks and I spent a long time researching each one...
Jeez, where are you flying into? Kalispell? Jackson? Aspen? : You can always find much cheaper fares into SLC or DEN than $500 any day of the week.

Drive to Providence or Manchester and get yourself some Southwest "DING" fares. I could have flown to Boise, SLC, RNO, DEN, or Spokane for some Red Mountain Luvin' all for ~$200 or less in February from our dinky little airport here on Long Island.

I rarely have to shell out more than $375 unless I'm flying into an elite destination. Matter of fact, I flew from JFK to DEN last Jan. for $126 round trip w/ tax included on Jet Blue with a companion fare they offered in November to all travelers.

Airfare deals don't seem as available as last year, but they can be had if you're flexible and/or desperate. The real killer this year, IMO, is rental cars. I can't find squat for deals on any kind of an SUV rental. : That's pissin' me off, although I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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1. fly Southwest, check their fares first - generally the cheapest fares into Denver
2. where are you coming from? Sometimes there's a specialized airline worth checking. For example, if you were in NYC, then look into JetBlue. Maybe Allegiant services your area, maybe AirTran, etc.
3. kayak.com
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Farecast.com

check it out

Dave
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wow tons of great info especially from MarkXS...really appreciate it man.....im in jersey so i can go to alotta airports but of course i would prefer newark......but i could make it as far as philly/jfk/laguardia. anyway thanks alot guys for your responses
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but of course i would prefer newark......
Not something you hear every day
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That's pissin' me off, although I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
LMAO.
Great thread and a lot of useful info, especially about the airline alliances. Bingers, jetblue usually has good prices for direct flights from JFK into SLC if you do not mind flying at crazy times. Not much farther from Newark, especially since the flight times will allow you to miss traffic getting there and back. Jetblue is a pretty good airline too.
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bestfares.com can be good. They buy tons of tickets and sell them via telephone. They have "Denver stopover fares" for one - usually Denver is cheap, and you can kind of stop over and get a better deal on travel further west.

Also if you join (don't have to - it's $50) you get somewhat better deals.

cheaptickets.com has hard tickets also, of course there's priceline.

Other than that as someone mentioned be flexible. Sometimes the websites above list the good deals based on limited availability but they will find the dates for you for the best fare, which I kind of like because it can be time consuming if you don't know what you're doing.

A few tips for planning - try Tuesday or Wednesday. Saturday stay sometimes gets a better deal. Overnight fares are also sometimes less.

Anyone try and go to the airport and fly standby? I never had the guts to do something like that but I've heard it can be really cheap. Just kind of go to the window the last minute and make them an offer so they can fill up the plane. priceline is probably the closest thing to doing this I've found.
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Look on craigslist for people selling vouchers too. If youre going to fly anyway, getting a 300 dollar voucher for 150 bucks will save you...150 bucks. Not bad. I use the JetBlue Boston to Denver nonstop/redeye- lets me get a day of work in and an extra day of skiing in before I leave at ngiht and get back just in time for work the next morning- or take a nap and come in a little late.
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Check out www.aircanada.com ,.Follow the links to Flight Passes and then to the Welcome Aboard Passes.Not sure if it applies to our brothers and seesters in the good ole USA or not,but it might.The skinny is for about $450 Cdn per month,taxes in,you can fly on any Tuesday or Saturday in to places like Vancouver,Calgary,Kelowna,Castlegar and Denver.No SLC as far as I know.The pass sale ends Jan 3rd and flights are available from Jan 9th until early March.The price is per month,but you can fly as many times as you like.So if you are flexible,and not burdened by a regular work schedule this might be for you.
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norks been making great strides in getting cheaper flights to more destinations IME. i live 20 minutes from the airport and used to go to jfk for the cheaper airfare but thats becoming less and less (to my satisfaction!) case in point, nork to madrid nonstop over thanksgiving week: $500. i also got nork to slc nonstop for 300 and i leave in ten days. i use kayak.com to find my flights. ive started using farecompare but havent booked off for my next trip yet.
good luck.
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Purchasing tickets at specific times of the day also affects pricing. I have found the best prices on Tues, Wed, and Thursday in the early morning. By 9 am or so, the prices increase. I try when I get to work around 6 am. Prices also seem go up beginning Thursday late morning and don't come down till Tuesday am. Advanced purchasing has worked best for me approximately 1 month out. I now use Kayak for finding the best airfares, but you should also check directly with the airlines. Another thing that most have probably noticed is that it cost more to fly out of a hub city than a city farther down the destination chart.
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Like others have said go to Southwest. BWI to DEN non stop one way base price $54.00. I purchased round trip tickest for me and my wife for something like $220.00 total. BTW these are for Saturday flights in February and day time travel.
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Southwest is a bit of a scam in my opinion, in that they've brainwashed everyone into thinking their fares are always the cheapest. In part by not releasing their fares to the big travel sites, so you can't easily compare them. So Southwest customers just go to southwest.com because they get the idea "always buy on Southwest" and never realize that the "real" airlines often meet or beat their fares. If Southwest released their fares to Travelocity or Orbitz or Expedia, people would realize that they are often more expensive than the competition.

Lots of $218 roundtrips from NYC (using LGA) nonstop to Denver on United. So I'm not really impressed by a Southwest flight for $220 that would require getting to Baltimore. Plus if you fly on Southwest, where can you go on miles earned from it? Only where Southwest flys. If you fly on United (or Delta, or American, or any other "legacy" airline) your miles can take you anywhere in the world. Plus you can get a reserved seat assignment, instead of lining up in the A, B, or C cattle-chutes for Southwest's open seating.

Go to United.com, use their "flexible dates" feature for NYC-DEN. $218 including taxes/fees for departures in January leaving on Tues, Wed, or Sat, returning on Tues, Wed, or Sat.

Probably you could find something similar on Continental, and they run nonstops from Newark to Denver.
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If you buy two weeks in advance Continental is $ 268 round trip Newark to Denver on non-stop direct flights and United is $ 288. That's about as good as you're going to get from Newark, unless there is a fare sale. Jet Blue can be cheaper from JFK, but you have to check carefully and usually buy further in advance.

Another good spot to check is lastminute.com. You can get fares with less advance warning, but you have to buy a flight + car. This is because the airlines don't want regular fare business customers to know what you are paying for the flight. Right now for the weekend after next you can get a flight from Newark to Denver on United plus a midsize for 7 days at Avis for $ 401, which is hard to beat.
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That was $220.00 total for two people, non stop, Saturday to Saturday roundtrip. Trust me, I tried all the other sites even United and nothing came close.
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for those of you with a small business. I just signed up for the Gold Delta Skymiles American Express card, 12K to sign up, 18K if you put on $6K in first 3 mo.'s, and then 5K more if you add names of two employees, 35K total miles, now we are talking. I think Delta/Am Express gives great offers, I have signed up my wife and myself for personal card deal and their availability is "decent", (not terrible like UsAir) out of Philadelphia. In fact i used Delta miles for two SLC ticket Thur-Sunday 3 weeks ago.

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Southwest is a bit of a scam in my opinion, in that they've brainwashed everyone into thinking their fares are always the cheapest. In part by not releasing their fares to the big travel sites, so you can't easily compare them. So Southwest customers just go to southwest.com because they get the idea "always buy on Southwest" and never realize that the "real" airlines often meet or beat their fares. If Southwest released their fares to Travelocity or Orbitz or Expedia, people would realize that they are often more expensive than the competition.
Southwest's cheapest fares very often beat most others. Only problem is there aren't too many cheap seats available and their prices usually skyrocket to some ridiculous rates after those sell out. However, the point is that you CAN still fly cheap, on Southwest and many others if your priority is mainly to fly cheap.

I do hate Southwest's stupid boarding in groups policy though.
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Speaking of promo deals and miles - anybody thinking about flying on United this winter needs to go to United.com, sign up for a Mileage Plus account (their frequent flyer program), and then register for this really excellent promo: MPDG26

It's their "Fly 3" promo - fly one roundtrip, and you'll get 5000 bonus miles in addition to the miles you earn from the flight itself. Fly a 2nd roundtrip, earn another 5000 for a total of 10,000. Fly a 3rd roundtrip, get a total of 25,000 (an additional 15,000).

You have to register for the promo before taking the first flight, and I think even before buying the ticket. Tickets have to have been issued after November 10. Flights have to be taken by 2/28. Also, the flights have to be on all-United "metal" (United, United Express or "Ted"), not on United's partners. So for example, a US Airways flight with a United flight number as one part of the trip will disqualify the entire trip for terms of this promo.

Imagine if the OP takes two trips on United out to Denver during Jan and Feb for skiing:

Newark-Denver 1604 miles each way, so 6416 miles earned.
10,000 bonus miles for doing 2 round-trips.
2/3 of the way to a free ticket.
Take one more r/t before 2/28 for another 3208 miles.
Another 15,000 miles from the promo.
34624 miles - almost 10,000 more than needed for a free US/Canada trip, or only 376 miles short of a free Carribbean/Hawaii trip, or more than 2/3 of the way to a free Europe or South America trip. Just from these 3 tickets at about $220-$250 each.

Now if you rented your car at DIA from a United partner you'd get 50 United miles a day, and often a 500 mile promo on top of that. Even staying in cheap hotel chains like Choice (Quality Inn, Comfort Inn, etc.) you'd get 250 United miles per stay if you give them your UA number at check-in, often 500 miles at some other chains. Get 10 miles per dollar for sending your sweetie, mom, sister, favorite aunt flowers on Valentine's day (yes, LM knows I get miles on her flowers!), and register your Safeway grocery discount card to get 125 United miles for every $250 of groceries. You'd have a free ticket to Europe or South America, or two free US Canada tickets, by the end of this year or sooner.

By the way, American has an essentially identical Fly 3, get one Free type of promo, but only if you fly from (or to) Chicago (Chicago has to be your origination or destination, not a connection point.) So if you prefer them and you're in Chicagoland, it's a good option. All the major airlines have these sorts of partner deals, but right now United and American have the sweetest promos with these Fly3 deals.

More free ski trips for everyone!
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That was $220.00 total for two people, non stop, Saturday to Saturday roundtrip. Trust me, I tried all the other sites even United and nothing came close.
Whoa...That is one heck of a deal, didn't realize that was the total for 2! Might be worth the Amtrak from NJ down to BWI for that.
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for those of you with a small business. I just signed up for the Gold Delta Skymiles American Express card, 12K to sign up, 18K if you put on $6K in first 3 mo.'s, and then 5K more if you add names of two employees, 35K total miles, now we are talking. I think Delta/Am Express gives great offers, I have signed up my wife and myself for personal card deal and their availability is "decent", (not terrible like UsAir) out of Philadelphia. In fact i used Delta miles for two SLC ticket Thur-Sunday 3 weeks ago.
its a great card even for the non business owner. i've had one since about last april or so (just upgraded to platinum last month) and have already racked up about 80,000 miles. you get double miles for gas and groceries and some other stuff. i think as far as mileage cards go its the best i've found. plus with the platinum card you are allowed one free companion ticket per year, within the continental u.s.

and as for airfare, i think $300 is a pretty good price roundtrip to ski. you can probably find it for as cheap as $200 but you'd have to plan 3+ months in advance or be flexible with your dates. if you are like me and only get .03 vacation days a year ( ) you might be willing to pay a little more and stay that extra saturday and sunday i'm planning to fly delta to utah in february for about $300 roundtrip, nonstop both ways, from jfk.
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if you are flexible with time, which it sounds like you are, use priceline.com and bid on a flight. if you miss your first bid, offer to make more than one stop or fly red eye flights. you can almost always get reound trippers for less than 200.00, assuming you book more than 2-3 weeks in advance. i usually bid about 45% less than the advertised fares.
also, southwest.com is usually great, but you should check orbitz and travelocity for comparison before booking on southwest.
the other sites that were mentionedd might be great also, but i have not yet used them.
best of luck
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Tripadvisor.com is also a pretty good tool to use to find cheap airfare/lodging, they also give reviews of places traveled.
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if you are flexible with time, which it sounds like you are, use priceline.com and bid on a flight. if you miss your first bid, offer to make more than one stop or fly red eye flights. you can almost always get reound trippers for less than 200.00, assuming you book more than 2-3 weeks in advance. i usually bid about 45% less than the advertised fares.
also, southwest.com is usually great, but you should check orbitz and travelocity for comparison before booking on southwest.
the other sites that were mentionedd might be great also, but i have not yet used them.
best of luck
I am a big fan of Priceline and have used it many times to save a lot of cash on hotel rooms. I also got great deals on groceries and my car through priceline years ago when they offered those options, but IMO it is not a good choice for airfare deals unless you do not care about anything but cost. They can route you through Timbuktu to go somewhere 2 hours away and the savings are not that great to justify the uncertainty of your flight time.
There is a great web-site for getting deals on priceline called biddingfortravel.com. Years ago there were many daily posts regarding airfare, but now there are very few.
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