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9/1/05 at 10:00pm
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Can anyone describe to me how these bindings (Atomic SX 614 "Supercross") bindings differ from the Neox 614 model I see advertised? I installed a pair on my new (cheap) Atomic GS11's. They appear to fit. Possibly the riser total is greater than race regs allow but they look like they would work well. I took a chance and bought these from Cupolo's sale. The price was just too good to pass up.
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9/2/05 at 7:24am
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They are the same as the Race 614's. Just a different color scheme.

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9/2/05 at 7:57am
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The SX614 binding has no relation to the Neox series. It is based on the older, ESS VAR design.

It's a great binding, though. And as you suspect, the main difference between it and the Race 614 is that the lifter is beyond FIS specs.
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9/2/05 at 11:18am
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Actually, the height of the SX614 isn't beyond the race limit. The SX614 is just a Race 614 with green accents (instead of yellow or red) and "SX" written on it (instead of "Race.")

The Race 614 is:

- Also very similar to the old "non-race" 614 (the Race -- and the SX -- has a lower stand height, which it gets by having a different AFD and brake).

- As mentioned, quite different from the Neox.

- Not the current retail model, though I believe they're still sold by the race department (others here know more about this than I do). Indeed, I think the only "top end" race binding for full-size people is the old 1018, which is the same basic design as the Race 614 (i.e. there's no Neox 1018).
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9/2/05 at 6:04pm
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Thanks, all. I've never used Esse Vars or the Atomic version. I'm looking forward to playing with the fore-aft positioning. The mechanism beneath the binding looks kind of flimsy. How are these things durability-wise?
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9/15/09 at 4:08pm
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I have a pair of atomic sx614 bindings on sx 11 skis. great ride. I just bought a stiffer boot that's slightly smaller than the pair I had before, and the rear screw heel track is at its smallest maximum but the boots are still too shy of the heel binding. Is fixing this as easy as moving the toe piece back on these bindings to close that gap? Does it simply require undoing the screw in the plate under both toes and moving the toe bindings backward? Ive never installed or adjusted my own, but if it's that simple I will. ANy techs out there have advice?
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9/15/09 at 4:34pm
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 I've got a pair of green accented Race 614's for sale (pictured below)  if anyone is interested... would also trade for a look/dyna/rossi 12+ Din.   



Edited by JayPowHound - 9/15/09 at 8:46pm
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9/15/09 at 6:18pm
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 Is fixing this as easy as moving the toe piece back on these bindings to close that gap? Does it simply require undoing the screw in the plate under both toes and moving the toe bindings backward?
thanks

First of all, welcome to EpicSki!

Secondly, nice work finding a relevant thread to post your question in rather than start a new one!

Finally, Yes it's that easy, but you will actually be moving the heel forward, not the toe back.

First you'll need to remove the single screw and plastic plate from behind the toe piece:



Once that's off you'll be able to see and move the track:



If yours are like mine there should be BSL markings on the toe side of the track:


Just slide the heel until it's where you need it to be, then screw it all back together:




Now you can try your boot in it, and then use the bottom screw on the back of the heel piece to set your forward pressure.  With the boot in the binding you want the head of the screw to be flush with the housing (this one is too far out because there is no boot in the binding):




Cheers!  
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9/15/09 at 8:45pm
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DELETE THIS ONE, SORRY.  ;)
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9/19/09 at 7:06am
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Thanks a bunch Jaypowhound. Your advice and pix were great, but I did notice you need more beer. Got the bindings adjusted easily. When I had these bindings installed on the skis two years ago, they were left at red for locked on the toe piece, not yellow for active. I'm not a racer. I've had no problems with the bindings so far. Should they be set for yellow or active for all skiers? Why is there an option to lock them, do you know?
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9/19/09 at 8:23am
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Should they be set for yellow or active for all skiers? Why is there an option to lock them, do you know?  That's a locker for upward toe release. Personally I like mine locked,it's not often that I would release upward at the toe. I ski a pair of SX614/greens and have no problems.

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9/19/09 at 8:40am
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Do the 614 toepieces release in a straight up direction? 
I recall my old Tyrolias having this diagonal toe thingy, but straight up?  I think I'd be dead if they did that.
Do all bindings do that these days?
Which ones don't.


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9/19/09 at 8:59am
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There is a screw on top with which the upward release can be set locked or active.  I run mine active and they have never released in that manner.  I've posted in the past to see if anyone has ever had an upward release, and so far, I have not heard of one.
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9/19/09 at 9:55am
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Actually I have had 1 upward release years ago w/ another binding system. Sat down on the toe piece right up the old.......anyway that hurt like hell so it's locked forever more. The End.
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9/19/09 at 10:33am
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I had a diagonal upward release with a tyrolia binding once.  Got too close to a tree well and one ski fell into it.  I watched as my leg was slowly twisted out and back and click!  Ahhhh!.  Dig the ski out of the tree well and live to ski another day.
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9/19/09 at 10:50am
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Upwards with twisting, yes!  Straight up, no thank you.
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Upwards with twisting, yes!  Straight up, no thank you.
 


I think it takes something horrific to release a 614 upward, and then it is a good thing.  Not sure it these blew like that, but you get the picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0lhMWaenCg&feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiykjYMDg_s

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9/19/09 at 11:16am
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 Ouch!

I can see some twisting there, probably not a pure upwards release (and I bet he had the upwards release disabled if it was actually there on his race bindings (I bet they are set at more than 14 too).   I can recall a number of times I came down hard on the tails after a long flight, and had to pull myself back into position against the acceleration forces of the slope, but I did have the presence of mind to get everything straightened out even if I couldn't get forward quite enough.  The one time I couldn't quite get my skis crooked upon landing (give me a break, it was a long high altitude flight complete with sleeping portion, and I had just woken up), the old Tyrolias let them go (thankfully).  

I would set that screw to allow upwards release when skiing slowly, but for fast skiing, I would not want it to be able to release upwards without a significant sideways force being present.
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Thanks a bunch Jaypowhound. Your advice and pix were great, but I did notice you need more beer...
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That 5 gallon next to the empty twelve pack under my bench is full of a 10.5% 'Full-Figured Holiday Stout' that I made which will be ready to drink around Dec... so you're actually right, I DO need more beer that'll be ready now, but I'm far from being completely out!  
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